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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    compete morons.
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    Now the selection of a president will take four months after people voted. It will take this much time to sort through fake votes/surprise ballots/voter fraud across all states before many of these states' electoral votes will be cast.

    This is true progress(ive) toward establishing the US as a banana republic. California is achieving its dream.

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    There may be grounds for violation of the Constitution here. We are guaranteed to have a Republic form of government. This means that the attempt to push things to a democracy has directly violated this constitutional obligation of these states

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Source: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/politics/maine-popular-vote/index.html



    Maine's lawmakers passed a bill that would give the state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who won the national popular vote, taking a step toward becoming the 15th state to enact such a law.
    The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

    California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have all committed to the pact. The most recent addition, New Mexico, put the total at 189 electoral votes.

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    All typically blue states. Imagine that...

    How quick will this get abandoned if Trump wins the popular vote next election? And imagine you are Maine, and by some fluke, every single resident votes for one candidate, but the other candidate wins the popular vote. Effectively, your entire state's actual votes didn't matter. This is a prime example of TrumpOCD overriding the logic of politicians...
    I didn't notice the 'national' part. I just thought they were giving them to the majority vote of the state. Yeah, we agree, that is crazy. The votes should either be split per the population vote of the state or grouped based on the majority opinion of the state, not tied to the national vote. Otherwise your state has little if any real voice as an independent entity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I didn't notice the 'national' part.
    I had to do a double take on that, myself. I wanted to believe it was just a case of "all the electoral votes" for that particular state would go with the popular vote of that particular state.

    I just thought they were giving them to the majority vote of the state.
    Yeah, that.

    Yeah, we agree, that is crazy. The votes should either be split per the population vote of the state or grouped based on the majority opinion of the state, not tied to the national vote. Otherwise your state has little if any real voice as an independent entity.

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    I'm hoping this will be contested, and SCOTUS will stop this insanity. (one can hope)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    There may be grounds for violation of the Constitution here. We are guaranteed to have a Republic form of government. This means that the attempt to push things to a democracy has directly violated this constitutional obligation of these states
    This would normally take a complainant 'with standing' - somebody from the state of Maine who has 'suffered wrong' - such as having voted for the candidate who won the popular vote, but would have otherwise lost the electoral college vote. Otherwise, I'm thinking they need to find a judge who will order a stay pending review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    compete morons. They just gave away their state sovereignty and their own citizen's votes. Even if everyone in their state voted for candidate X and candidate Y got more votes in other states, they will invalidate every vote in their state for that other candidate. wow.

    ETA - so it isn't official yet. The governor could still not sign the bill. But she is democratic, so that's probably not much hope.
    Not just the Governor -- the House has yet to vote on this...

    The Maine Senate on Tuesday approved a bill that would pledge the state’s Electoral College votes for president to the candidate who wins the popular vote across the country.

    If the House and Governor pass and sign the bill, Maine will becomes the fourteenth state, in addition to Washington, DC, to join the National Popular Vote interstate compact. This is an agreement among the 14 states to give their electoral College votes to the popular vote winner.



    ETA: Oooooooops!!! "The Maine House consists of 151 individuals, (88 Democrats, 56 Republicans, 5 Independents, and 1 Common Sense Independent and currently 1 Vacancy)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    This would normally take a complainant 'with standing' - somebody from the state of Maine who has 'suffered wrong' - such as having voted for the candidate who won the popular vote, but would have otherwise lost the electoral college vote.
    I think you mean the other way around: someone who voted for a candidate who would have won the electoral college but ended up losing when all the state's electoral college votes were given to the popular vote winner.

    And what a mess that court battle would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I think you mean the other way around: someone who voted for a candidate who would have won the electoral college but ended up losing when all the state's electoral college votes were given to the popular vote winner.

    And what a mess that court battle would be.
    Yeah, even as I was typing that, I was .... yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    There may be grounds for violation of the Constitution here. We are guaranteed to have a Republic form of government. This means that the attempt to push things to a democracy has directly violated this constitutional obligation of these states
    There is no Constitutional violation here. What you refer to ("The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion") is not in any way harmed, because the government of the states remains a Republican one. This only affects the election of the president, which has nothing to do with state government. For that matter, the statement in the Constitution is actually not an obligation on the part of the states but a restriction on how the federal government can affect a state's government.

    Furthermore, states absolutely have the right to enact something like this by another part of the constitution: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"

    States can choose them however they want. Their legislatures could vote on who the electors are themselves (which was in fact how some states handled it in the past!). They could set it up so the electors are randomly chosen from among the populace. They could even have it decided on a game of Rock Papers Scissors. Having it decided by the popular vote is absolutely permitted by the Constitution.
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