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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    At my last workplace, one of my co-workers got his job back after getting caught driving a mail truck under the influence. That's unacceptable.
    Wholly.
    Though it is long in the past (1920s), there was a man who was sacked for running after he finished work ... the rationale being that if he had enough energy to run at the end of the day, he had been slacking. The union got him reinstated.
    Bus drivers (less than 20 years ago) were to be provided a suitable facilities to use during their meal breaks ... the company decided that "suitable facilities" were a roadside stop adjacent to a public toilet. The union had that little piece of nonsense stopped.
    Long lists of wrongs committed against workers, some trivial others significant, addressed by unions - including creative methods to cheat people out of their proper pay. Laws were introduced to pull the unions' teeth, and offences have been on the increase. By offences - I mean things that now go to court after long delays instead of being dealt with post haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I agree, and I'm saying that as somebody who is generally pro-union.
    Because this isn't "workers vs management" over turning out products or services. In fact, I think there's way too much "management" and not enough "workers" in education. There are the teachers who teach, and the educrats whose goal seems to be to get a school building named after them.

    There has to be a middle ground that gives due process for teachers who are fired unfairly without going so far out of the way to protect the bad apples, and in any profession that has so many employees, there are going to be some bad apples. This is one profession where you really have to get rid of them.
    It's all about Why Johnny Can't Read

    In the early 1950s, Rudolf Flesch offered to tutor a boy who'd been held back in sixth grade because he couldn't read. ... Flesch wrote a bestseller called Why Johnny Can't Read, in which he blasted the American education system for failing to teach phonics


    If we were to allow the autoworkers to turn out the dismally failed products that our schools do....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Because this isn't "workers vs management" over turning out products or services. In fact, I think there's way too much "management" and not enough "workers" in education. There are the teachers who teach, and the educrats whose goal seems to be to get a school building named after them.



    It's all about Why Johnny Can't Read

    In the early 1950s, Rudolf Flesch offered to tutor a boy who'd been held back in sixth grade because he couldn't read. ... Flesch wrote a bestseller called Why Johnny Can't Read, in which he blasted the American education system for failing to teach phonics


    If we were to allow the autoworkers to turn out the dismally failed products that our schools do....
    It's not all on the teachers, by a long shot. It's difficult for the teacher to do much with a student having but one parent at home, and that one not very interested in how Johnny's education is progressing, and whose friends are in the same boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    It's not all on the teachers, by a long shot.
    Agreed, 100%, which is why I said "there's way too much "management" and not enough "workers" in education".... if they were just allowed to teach, most teachers I know have the patience, skill and know-how to get it done.

    It's difficult for the teacher to do much with a student having but one parent at home, and that one not very interested in how Johnny's education is progressing, and whose friends are in the same boat.
    My teachers knew my parents by their first names. The "social engineering" that has constantly been attacking the nuclear family has taken a toll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    It's not all on the teachers, by a long shot. It's difficult for the teacher to do much with a student having but one parent at home, and that one not very interested in how Johnny's education is progressing, and whose friends are in the same boat.
    And to add to that, unrealistic classroom management demands where the administration may not back up the teachers who attempt to crack down on discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    And to add to that, unrealistic classroom management demands where the administration may not back up the teachers who attempt to crack down on discipline.
    When I taught Junior High some years back, that was a HUGE problem. The 'rules' of the "progressive discipline" were spelled out in large print on a banner over the chalkboard in the classroom. The students knew EXACTLY how far they could go before you were allowed to send them to the principal's office, and they'd go just 'to the edge', then pull back and start again.

    I actually got called into the principal's office for being 'too strict' on a student who literally peed on the floor in the classroom, and I failed to give him a 'verbal warning' before writing him up. That was my last day in a public school classroom as a teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Wop-wops? Amazing ... here it's "Woop-woop" where the term is used.
    You also call jandals thongs.
    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    The argument that the inconvenience of living in the Never-never balances the expense of living in more convenient environs does have some merit, methinks.
    Yeah but with the recent massive increase in the cost of housing in Auckland, some schools are battling to get teachers because the teacher literally can't afford to live within commuting distance of the school. And because the salary is set nationally (and paid by the govt) the individual schools can't offer teachers more

    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    If it follows the usual pattern, there will be a perfectly valid and acceptable excuse for her actions. (though it is likely she won't be allowed to teach again, if found guilty)
    There is video evidence, and if any of the boys were underage (16), she is looking at jail.
    And you still have a bunch of people saying it's fine and she should not get any punishment as what teenage heterosexual boy wouldn't want to have sex with a female teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    You also call jandals thongs.
    Until I looked up "jandals" I had an, er... entirely different type of thong in mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Until I looked up "jandals" I had an, er... entirely different type of thong in mind
    And then there's rubbers.
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    Tenure laws were designed to protect teachers from the exact sorts of political actions that Sparko is talking about. If they fired all of the non-tenured teachers, then there is likely nothing the union can do. In Illinois, which is already a strong union state, non-tenured teachers can be dismissed (either simply by not having their contract renewed, or by directly being fired) up to the end of their last non-tenured year.

    Despite what the conservative policy makers would have you believe, tenure is not a bullet proof guarantee of a job for a bad teacher. Again, speaking as a teacher in a strong union state, RIFs (Reduction in Forces) go through based first on effectiveness and then on seniority within the effectiveness rankings--even for tenured teachers. Additionally, we have and will lay off tenured staff who break or flaunt school rules. Tenure is no guarantee of a job, only a guarantee of due process. If a principal wants to get a tenured teacher fired, there is a path of actions to follow.

    I would be astonished if sending a child home to a house where there is no adult supervision (as was stated in the article), and thereby breaking the chain of child-custody, isn't enough to get a teacher temporarily reassigned while the wheels of justice turn, and ultimately fired, as child-custody is the foundational ethic of teaching. This is why, again at least in my state, the teacher's attendance records are legal documents. I have to be able to guarantee that if I say a kid is with me, then the kid is with me. I myself could no legally send any child home or anywhere else out of the direct supervision of school staff on my own. I would certainly get suspended and removed from my class if did so.

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