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Thread: Faith and Works: The Relationship between Faith, Works, and Salvation in the NT

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    I ask again - Can we honestly claim to believe in Christ if we do not believe what he says? Does Christ set us free only from the penalty for sin, or from sin and the penalty for sin? [par. 5]
    The so-called free-grace–lordship salvation debate may be reduced to the question of whether deliverance from the power and practice of sin is, in some sense, optional or extraneous to the attainment of personal salvation.
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    No one has, or ever will, be justified/declared righteous by observing a system of law: ‘[B]y works of law no flesh shall be justified before him; for by law [is] knowledge of sin’ (Rom. 3.20, Darby Translation; cp. Gal. 3.11). Even prior to the old-covenant era, faith in God and his promises was the condition for justification (see Rom. 4).
    The Bible itself rephrases this one - and in doing so, points out why mere adherence to the law cannot save.
    Hebrews 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (The Koine Greek takes quite a bit of unpacking - but it seems on a cursory read that some of the nuance has suffered in translation).

    deliverance from the power and practice of sin
    Deliverance from the power of sin is a concomitant of faith, I think. Deliverance from the practice of sin - that is volitional (I don't think optional or extraneous really apply here). There also seems to be a radical difference between the outcomes of failing in an attempt and failing to attempt.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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