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    Press Freedom Under Attack

    We already know that Trump thinks that press coverage unfavorable to him is the enemy of the people. Now we find that the US wants to charge Assange with espionage for publishing secret material. Consequently, the freedom of the press is at serious risk.

    The Espionage Act was a panic measure enacted by Congress to clamp down on dissent or “sedition” when the US entered the First World War in 1917. In the subsequent 102 years it has never been used to prosecute a media organisation for publishing or disseminating unlawfully disclosed classified information. Nobody prosecuted under the act is permitted to offer a public interest defence.
    Whatever Assange got up to in 2010-11, it was not espionage. Nor is he a US citizen. The criminal acts this Australian maverick allegedly committed all happened outside the US. As Joel Simon, director of the Committee to Protect Journalists, has observed: “Under this rubric, anyone anywhere in the world who publishes information that the US government deems to be classified could be prosecuted for espionage.”

    Imagine the precedent if the Trump administration gets away with this. Israel and India have extensive nuclear weapons programmes – each protected by ferocious domestic official secrets acts. Think of the outcry if the Netanyahu or Modi governments attempted to extradite a British or US journalist to face life in jail for writing true things about their nuclear arsenals.
    Whenever you read about journalists harming national security, massive alarm bells should start ringing. Think no further than Richard Nixon trying to prosecute the Pentagon Papers whistleblower, Daniel Ellsberg, for harming national security in 1971. Ellsberg, an intelligence analyst, found that the Vietnam war had been prosecuted on the basis of a web of lies and thought the public deserved to know. To Nixon, Ellsberg’s commitment to the truth was treason. He reached for the Espionage Act.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eedom-of-press

    Americans, I implore you, don’t let the fascists take those freedoms away without a fight.
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    Assange is no more a "journalist" than Wikileaks is "the press" - that is to say, he's not one. He is nothing more than a purveyor of stolen information.

    The Guardian should perhaps stick to areas where it is informed rather than attempting to interpret the internal affairs of foreign nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Assange is no more a "journalist" than Wikileaks is "the press" - that is to say, he's not one. He is nothing more than a purveyor of stolen information.

    The Guardian should perhaps stick to areas where it is informed rather than attempting to interpret the internal affairs of foreign nations.
    With any luck, the goodies will be able to keep Assange away from people like you.
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    I get confused, is The Guardian the tabloid that had the headline "Woman Gives Birth in Choir - Baby Comes Out Singing Amazing Grace"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    With any luck, the goodies will be able to keep Assange away from people like you.
    With any luck Assange will soon be in a Swedish jail for those rape charges
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    Democrats hated Assange when he was revealing their dirty secrets during the election. Now they suddenly love him because... Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Democrats hated Assange when he was revealing their dirty secrets during the election. Now they suddenly love him because... Trump.
    If Trump had announced that they wouldn't seek his extradition you can bet your bottom dollar the very same people now complaining that the government wants to prosecute him would be screaming that Trump has given amnesty to a terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Democrats hated Assange when he was revealing their dirty secrets during the election. Now they suddenly love him because... Trump.
    That’s not it. Either US Gov is ensuring that Assange will not be extradited or they want to go after journalists more generally. Why? Because fascists!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    With any luck Assange will soon be in a Swedish jail for those rape charges
    "rape" charges.

    Two women who decided to have sex with Assange because he was a "personage," one of them bragging about it online afterwards, then decide that Assange used his notoriety as a lure to bed them, which amounts under Swedish law to "rape." If you have notoriety, when in Sweden, don't take a woman up on her offer, because that would be raping her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    "rape" charges.

    Two women who decided to have sex with Assange because he was a "personage," one of them bragging about it online afterwards, then decide that Assange used his notoriety as a lure to bed them, which amounts under Swedish law to "rape." If you have notoriety, when in Sweden, don't take a woman up on her offer, because that would be raping her.
    No, the charge was because the woman agreed to only have sex if a condom was used.
    Assange is accused of tearing a condom and then initiating unprotected sex with one of the woman while she was still asleep. Under Swedish law that is rape as consent was not given for unprotected sex.
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