Page 4 of 17 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 165

Thread: Generation Y and Z Confirms Futurism is true

  1. #31
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,700
    Amen (Given)
    213
    Amen (Received)
    636
    Christianity existed for its first several hundred years as a minority religion; I don't see why it can't do that again.

    Heck, the things churches are dealing with in the Western world are small potatoes compared to what would sometimes happen under the Roman Empire.

  2. #32
    tWebber tabibito's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    DownUnder
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    4,958
    Amen (Given)
    202
    Amen (Received)
    851
    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    Christianity existed for its first several hundred years as a minority religion; I don't see why it can't do that again.

    Heck, the things churches are dealing with in the Western world are small potatoes compared to what would sometimes happen under the Roman Empire.
    This week, anyway.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

  3. #33
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,785
    Amen (Given)
    198
    Amen (Received)
    722
    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    Christianity existed for its first several hundred years as a minority religion; I don't see why it can't do that again.

    Heck, the things churches are dealing with in the Western world are small potatoes compared to what would sometimes happen under the Roman Empire.
    The reason I believe it's vastly different this time than any other time in history is, once again, our communication technology. Yes, the Roman Empire was brutal, but it didn't have the technology we have. Christians could still avoid, for the most part, Roman authorities. This can't possibly happen under the surveillance apparatus we live under now, much less 10-20 years from now. I'm not sure there even is an "underground" for Christians to go today to avoid this.

    Also, you have to consider our mindset is totally different. How many Christians do you know today could live off the grid and survive?

    Also factor in the technological propaganda out there. It's much easier and far quicker for authoritative body or even a societal or cultural collective to persuade the masses against a particular group with smears and false accusations than it was hundreds of years ago.

    Comparing our modern area to that of the Roman Empire is like night and day. It's really strange that Christians don't consider the differences in our eras, unless they just willingly blind themselves to that fact.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

  4. #34
    Troll Magnet Sparko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    48,000
    Amen (Given)
    4770
    Amen (Received)
    21239
    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    The reason I believe it's vastly different this time than any other time in history is, once again, our communication technology. Yes, the Roman Empire was brutal, but it didn't have the technology we have. Christians could still avoid, for the most part, Roman authorities. This can't possibly happen under the surveillance apparatus we live under now, much less 10-20 years from now. I'm not sure there even is an "underground" for Christians to go today to avoid this.

    Also, you have to consider our mindset is totally different. How many Christians do you know today could live off the grid and survive?

    Also factor in the technological propaganda out there. It's much easier and far quicker for authoritative body or even a societal or cultural collective to persuade the masses against a particular group with smears and false accusations than it was hundreds of years ago.

    Comparing our modern area to that of the Roman Empire is like night and day. It's really strange that Christians don't consider the differences in our eras, unless they just willingly blind themselves to that fact.
    In order to make Christianity illegal and hunted, the US Constitution would have to be changed or dissolved, as well as many other countries' constitutions. If that happened, more than just Christianity would be at stake. The entire western civilization would probably fall.

    Not saying it can't or won't happen, but it isn't likely, at least in our lifetimes.

  5. Amen Christianbookworm amen'd this post.
  6. #35
    tWebber tabibito's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    DownUnder
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    4,958
    Amen (Given)
    202
    Amen (Received)
    851
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    In order to make Christianity illegal and hunted, the US Constitution would have to be changed or dissolved, as well as many other countries' constitutions. If that happened, more than just Christianity would be at stake. The entire western civilization would probably fall.

    Not saying it can't or won't happen, but it isn't likely, at least in our lifetimes.
    It wouldn't arise from demolition but from erosion. Constitutions don't have to be changed for membership in a voluntary society - which the church essentially is - to become untenable. Laws don't have to be changed, they only have to be unenforced or selectively enforced. There is enough happening already to show how easy it would be to achieve. History likewise shows that you don't have to actually ban a religion, all you have to do is define (say) sedition in such a way as to make the preaching of significant points of Christian doctrine seditious. (Noting the recent interment in "facebook prison" of one group because it posted a quote from Mother Theresa which facebook chose to define as hate speech.)
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

  7. Amen seanD, The Remonstrant amen'd this post.
  8. #36
    See, the Thing is... Cow Poke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    51,803
    Amen (Given)
    11224
    Amen (Received)
    23977
    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I don't know if Christianity will be pushed underground in the west. I think it will get harder and harder to find churches and people who are anything beyond Christian in name only. I think too many churches will become social clubs with a steeple. That assumes they survive the various scandals that are breaking out. I think the more committed believers will be in smaller churches, some form of house church, and maybe a niche in a big church. Its going to take God's guidance to find them.
    Yeah, I think Christianity will become more "acceptable" to the likes of Buttigieg and the media -- homosexuality, later term abortion is no problem -- don't pay much attention at all to the antiquated Bible, just "peace, love and anything goes".
    I have called you my friends.... Jesus
    Jn 15:15

  9. #37
    tWebber tabibito's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    DownUnder
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    4,958
    Amen (Given)
    202
    Amen (Received)
    851
    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I don't know if Christianity will be pushed underground in the west. I think it will get harder and harder to find churches and people who are anything beyond Christian in name only. I think too many churches will become social clubs with a steeple. That assumes they survive the various scandals that are breaking out. I think the more committed believers will be in smaller churches, some form of house church, and maybe a niche in a big church. Its going to take God's guidance to find them.
    Most of that happened 1500 years ago and hasn't changed overly much since - apart from a bit of deck-chair shuffling 500 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, I think Christianity will become more "acceptable" to the likes of Buttigieg and the media -- homosexuality, later term abortion is no problem -- don't pay much attention at all to the antiquated Bible, just "peace, love and anything goes".
    There is a number of theologians complaining about just that procedure - it's kind of a cold war between opposing groups in academic theology. Missio Dei is also taking a fair bit of damage - though it's only superficial thus far.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

  10. #38
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,785
    Amen (Given)
    198
    Amen (Received)
    722
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    In order to make Christianity illegal and hunted, the US Constitution would have to be changed or dissolved, as well as many other countries' constitutions.
    Like that's not happening in slow selective increments already. 10-20 years, when progressivism becomes the dominant view, piece of cake.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

  11. #39
    Troll Magnet Sparko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    48,000
    Amen (Given)
    4770
    Amen (Received)
    21239
    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Like that's not happening in slow selective increments already. 10-20 years, when progressivism becomes the dominant view, piece of cake.
    The biggest problem is that most things they would like to outlaw in Christianity (like speaking out against homosexuality) would also apply to Islam, and they are afraid to piss off Islam.

  12. #40
    Professor KingsGambit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Triangle
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    9,815
    Amen (Given)
    1591
    Amen (Received)
    4240
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    The biggest problem is that most things they would like to outlaw in Christianity (like speaking out against homosexuality) would also apply to Islam, and they are afraid to piss off Islam.
    This hasn't stopped European governments from nonetheless proceeding to do just that. They just don't mind being selective in who gets prosecuted.
    For what was given to everyone for the use of all, you have taken for your exclusive use. The earth belongs not to the rich, but to everyone. - Ambrose, 4th century AD

    All cruelty springs from weakness. - Seneca the Younger

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •