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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    It was obviously a hyperbolic statement Darfy.

    And the 'prepare a way in the desert' was referring to Jesus' first coming and the Elijah was John the Baptist.

    We don't know when Christ will return. It could be at any time. That is why he said, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come"
    Hyperbolic to what point? Why suggest that faith may not be present when He returns unless He meant to indicate such a fierce persecution of the saints that faith would all but disappear from the earth, as Daniel and Revelation suggests (it was given power to the beast to make war with the saints and overcome them)?

    John the Baptist was one fulfillment of Elijah, but Jesus spoke in the future tense when He said the next Elijah would restore all things. John the Baptist had already died. You and most other so called Christians are woefully ignorant as to the fact that Satan is the god of this world and his kingdom must be overthrown--from within and without--before the thief (Christ) can rob him (the devil) of his goods (us and the earth). In other words, we will have to prove our faith with deeds, something most so called Christians are terrified of doing, hence the so called.

    The reason Christ spoke ambiguously or parabolically about the timing of His return is the same reason God speaks parabolically all throughout Scripture, to hide the fullness of the truth from sleepy eyed "disciples" who don't really care to seek it with all their minds, hearts and souls while revealing it to those who do. We are always to keep watch, but "when these things begin to take place, look up, for your redemption draws near."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfius View Post
    Hyperbolic to what point? Why suggest that faith may not be present when He returns unless He meant to indicate such a fierce persecution of the saints that faith would all but disappear from the earth, as Daniel and Revelation suggests (it was given power to the beast to make war with the saints and overcome them)?

    John the Baptist was one fulfillment of Elijah, but Jesus spoke in the future tense when He said the next Elijah would restore all things. John the Baptist had already died. You and most other so called Christians are woefully ignorant as to the fact that Satan is the god of this world and his kingdom must be overthrown--from within and without--before the thief (Christ) can rob him (the devil) of his goods (us and the earth). In other words, we will have to prove our faith with deeds, something most so called Christians are terrified of doing, hence the so called.
    What are you even talking about? Jesus was interpreting Malachi and speaking in the same tense as the verse.

    (10) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" (11) Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. (12) But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." (13) Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

    You are a paranoid moron Darfius and can't read a simple verse without trying to turn it into some conspiracy theory. The only woefully ignorant one here is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    What are you even talking about? Jesus was interpreting Malachi and speaking in the same tense as the verse.

    (10) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" (11) Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. (12) But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." (13) Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

    You are a paranoid moron Darfius and can't read a simple verse without trying to turn it into some conspiracy theory. The only woefully ignorant one here is you.
    You forgot to answer why Jesus implied faith would be sorely lacking when He returned, in contrast to the preterist fantasy that Christianity will "convert the world."

    What "all things" did John the Baptist "restore?" Simple verse, eh? John the Baptist was the Elijah for Jesus' first coming. There will be an Elijah who will precede His 2nd coming, who will "turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfius View Post
    You forgot to answer why Jesus implied faith would be sorely lacking when He returned, in contrast to the preterist fantasy that Christianity will "convert the world."

    What "all things" did John the Baptist "restore?" Simple verse, eh? John the Baptist was the Elijah for Jesus' first coming. There will be an Elijah who will precede His 2nd coming, who will "turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."



    OK I am putting you back on virtual ignore until I need some more entertainment. Yawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post



    OK I am putting you back on virtual ignore until I need some more entertainment. Yawn.
    And another one bites the dust.

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    2 Thess 2:1-3 We beg you brothers not to be shaken ... by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here ... for that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first ...

    So - it would seem that Luke 18:8 doesn't stand alone, and then there is an ambiguous further reference:

    4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

    But none of these declare a failure arising from persecution. The circumstances could even arise from syncretism.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    2 Thess 2:1-3 We beg you brothers not to be shaken ... by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here ... for that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first ...

    So - it would seem that Luke 18:8 doesn't stand alone, and then there is an ambiguous further reference:

    4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

    But none of these declare a failure arising from persecution. The circumstances could even arise from syncretism.
    God always keeps a remnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    God always keeps a remnant.
    True, that.
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    I think the obvious takeaway is that things are going to get so horrific -- much, much more horrific than we're even seeing now -- that it would be nothing short of a miracle if there was a surviving remnant that was left in the aftermath. Which is just more evidence that affirms futurism in spades.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I think the obvious takeaway is that things are going to get so horrific -- much, much more horrific than we're even seeing now -- that it would be nothing short of a miracle if there was a surviving remnant that was left in the aftermath. Which is just more evidence that affirms futurism in spades.
    Well, there's an air-tight argument if I've ever seen one. Have you considered providing said evidence?
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