If one understands statistics the efforts of this paper is 'front loaded' statistically to get the desired result. More comments may follow. Also basically neglects that the laws of nature constrains the outcome of each cause and effect event, and cannot be statistically projected as simply the probability of 'the total number of sampling events possible since the Big Bang.'
I believe that Landman referred to this limitation as 'the number of possible states.' I comment with caution on Landman, because I lack his full reference. I may word this more completely as the limitations of the possible states of the outcome of each cause and effect outcome constrained by the laws of nature.
I believe they have tried this before.
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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
If one understands statistics the efforts of this paper is 'front loaded' statistically to get the desired result.
Well, how so?
Also basically neglects that the laws of nature constrains the outcome of each cause and effect event, and cannot be statistically projected as simply the probability of 'the total number of sampling events possible since the Big Bang.'
But constraining the events would reduce this probability, correct?
Blessings,
Lee
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
But constraining the events would reduce this probability, correct?
Blessings,
Lee
No, it would greatly increase the probability, because the outcome of each cause and effect relationship would be constrained by the Laws of Nature constraining the possible outcomes.
In the proper use of statistics and probability it is the standard process to constrain the possible variables in the research design to increase the probability that the result will will falsify the hypothesis.
I seriously condemn this irresponsible use of statistics and probability to justify an agenda, and I will provide other references that object to this misuse.
The paper classical misuses Dempski's argument and methods to justify Dempski's argument.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-17-2019 at 03:47 PM.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
The reason why I said, 'This nothing new' misusing statistics and probability by ID and other Creationists is the same misuse is used concerning evolution. Note Bold, and the rest of the article is worth the read. Failure to consider that nature acts by a series of cause and effect outcomes constrained by Laws of Nature is the primary unethical misuse of statistics and probability,
Note: What is referred to 'some element of chance' is a fractal relationship in the variability of the outcome of each event in the formation of the snowflake, which is basically that same throughout the nature of cause and effect outcomes.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-17-2019 at 04:02 PM.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
No, it would greatly increase the probability, because the outcome of each cause and effect relationship would be constrained by the Laws of Nature constraining the possible outcomes.
In the proper use of statistics and probability it is the standard process to constrain the possible variables in the research design to increase the probability that the result will will falsify the hypothesis.
Well, constraining the set of events is not the same as constraining possible variables, and variables are constrained to reduce extraneous effects that are not of interest, not to increase the probability.
And snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.
Blessings,
Lee
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
And snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.
So proteins and genomes aren't designed either.
Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.
No, if the focus is on an event before it happens, then the probability can vary from 100%. For example, if you pick one snowflake pattern, and then look for that to occur, then the probability is 10^{2500} (according to their calculations).
Blessings,
Lee
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
No, if the focus is on an event before it happens, then the probability can vary from 100%. For example, if you pick one snowflake pattern, and then look for that to occur, then the probability is 10^{2500} (according to their calculations).
Blessings,
Lee
More bizzaro calculations that do not make any sense as referenced. Not even worth responding to. The referenced paper was clear and specific.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
And snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.
So proteins and genomes aren't designed either.
No, if the focus is on an event before it happens, then the probability can vary from 100%. For example, if you pick one snowflake pattern, and then look for that to occur, then the probability is 10^{2500} (according to their calculations).
Proteins and genomes have already happened. No-one is picking a DNA sequence and looking for it to occur.* Proteins and genomes aren't designed.
*apart from dishonest creationists and IDers who pretend this is happening.
Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.