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    These are caused the small amount of randomness in chemical reproduction processes. That is new genetic information. The new information which is retained in the species' gene pool is that which is concentrated by selection pressures and/or neutral genetic drift.
    And what about the role of mutations in bringing new information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    That does not include DNA which is a chemical process that naturally encodes information with no abstraction or arbitrary symbols anywhere. Merely being a "code" is not an indication of intelligence.
    I agree. DNA is a molecule with chemical reactions. The reactions are big and complex but they are nothing more than chemical reactions nonetheless. Nothing of which is required by ''intelligence''.

    BTW, thanks for being the only one to answer my questions.

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    Sorry, I just realized my previous posts two contain some mistakes (grammatical and semantic). Pardon me, English is not my first language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    Sorry, I just realized my previous posts two contain some mistakes (grammatical and semantic).
    I wouldn't have even noticed any if you hadn't said this.

    Pardon me, English is not my first language.
    I had no idea of that until you said this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    I wouldn't have even noticed any if you hadn't said this.

    I had no idea of that until you said this.
    LOL Fail! I exchanged ''two'' and ''posts''. It should have read ''previous two posts'', not ''previous posts two''.

    I forgive you if you are being facetious, Terraceth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    LOL Fail! I exchanged ''two'' and ''posts''. It should have read ''previous two posts'', not ''previous posts two''.

    I forgive you if you are being facetious, Terraceth.
    I didn't even notice you had swapped the two words until you pointed it out, and I suspect neither did Terraceth. And accidentally swapping words so they're in the wrong order is something native speakers of a language do too, so that's hardly indicative of someone who is not at native level proficiency in a language.

    Like you I'm not a native speaker of English either, so my opinion doesn't really hold as much weight (although I have spent most of my time on the internet on sites where the discussions have mainly/only been in English), but I would never have guessed that English wasn't your first language either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    I didn't even notice you had swapped the two words until you pointed it out, and I suspect neither did Terraceth. And accidentally swapping words so they're in the wrong order is something native speakers of a language do too, so that's hardly indicative of someone who is not at native level proficiency in a language.

    Like you I'm not a native speaker of English either, so my opinion doesn't really hold as much weight (although I have spent most of my time on the internet on sites where the discussions have mainly/only been in English), but I would never have guessed that English wasn't your first language either.
    Thank you for your kind words. The people on this site are really nice. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    And what about the role of mutations in bringing new information?
    A check of the internet will reveal hundreds of conflicting views on new information and gene mutations. I found this simple youtube video on a basic level with examples that descripes 'point mutation' and new information.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=DlhpvcgK_28

    Just a few obvious examples of new information is gene splicing where a new gene or sequence genes are inserted in the DNA. The other is the doubling of RNA in the formation of new information of DNA as in the evolution of the eye.




    The following is more involved reference, but readable: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21578/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    LOL Fail! I exchanged ''two'' and ''posts''. It should have read ''previous two posts'', not ''previous posts two''.

    I forgive you if you are being facetious, Terraceth.
    No facetiousness intended. The two posts in question have no obvious issues in them. I had to actually look carefully at them to try to find the errors you were embarrassed by.

    As for the "previous posts two" (which is more obvious but wasn't part of the applicable posts), I can't remember if I noticed it or not when I made my post. As I didn't mention it, I either missed it entirely due to not taking as close as look at it as the previous 2 posts or just shrugged it off as an accidental typo not worth mentioning.

    Believe me, your English is better than I've seen from a lot of native speakers.

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    It happens that, when reading rather than examining a text, the reader's background "auto-correct" simply amends what is written to what should have been written*, and it passes completely unnoticed by the reader. That is, unless the writing falls foul of a pet peeve. One that I encountered recently: "viscious." On the first pass, I read it as "viscous" which didn't make sense in context, and re-read it as "vicious" - and still didn't notice the extraneous "s" before the "c."

    (* One time I wrote a piece with the kanji for "I" wrongly written - the character doesn't even exist. It completely escaped the teacher's notice.)
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