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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Um,
    Don't you mean that if these folk were into the word, then these churches would be growing instead of failing?
    I think she means like the Joel Osteen type churches --- if "the people" were really "in the Word", Joel Osteen wouldn't be able to draw them with his ear tickling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    In which case, the Eastern church would seem to note that "come and see" doesn't cut it for the long haul? Catechising would involve a certain amount of word, chapter, and verse would it not?
    Yes, "come and see" is the initial draw. Chatechism involves more a synthesis of what word, chapter, and verse teach.
    Though I'm less excited about word, chapter, and verse than about knowing what the Bible has to say - knowing WCV is sort of useful in establishing some sort of credibility.
    WCV?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Neither do I, and I never said that I did.
    Not trying to imply that you did - it's just rather the preferred method in Evangelical circles, in my experience (except when working with Jews, when the "Jerusalem Road" is preferred).
    Which is why I always think the most important aspect of evangelism is the Holy Spirit's involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think she means like the Joel Osteen type churches --- if "the people" were really "in the Word", Joel Osteen wouldn't be able to draw them with his ear tickling.
    Oh. Thought she was referring to mainline type churches, which are indeed tickling ears and failing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Um,
    Don't you mean that if these folk were into the word, then these churches would be growing instead of failing?
    I think she meant that if the people were into the word, then they would see that what their liberal churches were teaching them is false and they would leave.

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    Though I'm less excited about word, chapter, and verse than about knowing what the Bible has to say - knowing WCV is sort of useful in establishing some sort of credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Um,
    Don't you mean that if these folk were into the word, then these churches would be growing instead of failing?
    Nope. I mean that the wishy-washy churches with massive congregations that are only there to hear pap would be failing if the people in the congregations were actually into the word.

    Meant what I said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Nope. I mean that the wishy-washy churches with massive congregations that are only there to hear pap would be failing if the people in the congregations were actually into the word.

    Meant what I said.
    Ok. Though it must be said that such churches tend to have massive turnover, too. People tend not to stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Though I'm less excited about word, chapter, and verse than about knowing what the Bible has to say - knowing WCV is sort of useful in establishing some sort of credibility.

    Only if the Bible is viewed as some sort of authority in the first place, champ. Perhaps you missed that part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Not trying to imply that you did - it's just rather the preferred method in Evangelical circles, in my experience (except when working with Jews, when the "Jerusalem Road" is preferred).
    I've seen the Roman Road, the Four Spiritual Laws, Evangelism Explosion - all kinds of "tools"... the one 'component' that should be common to all is the power of the Holy Spirit. And as there are more and more people who either don't believe the Bible, or don't trust it like we do, I'm always prepared to go with my personal testimony or whatever the Spirit leads...
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