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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have a wonderful evening, Jim.
    Thanks, I hope you have a good evening too CP.

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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    "What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun."
    "And such were some of you."


    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Kinda like
    "What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun."
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have a wonderful evening, Jim.
    I'll have to admit that was an odd response

    So, in addition to the idea of translating scriptures into the common language, some other ideas might be:

    1) the idea that slavery was unacceptable, even though scripture tolerates it, leading to a world that is now mostly slavery free. The Southern Baptist church was formed out of the protest of southern slave holders over this idea.

    2) the idea that the world is round and that there could be people living in the 'antipodes' (once believed to be unlikely as how would they get along standing on their heads)

    3) the idea that disease was not caused by demons but by germs (how does this help people get closer to god? well, by better understanding God's universe, we are able to bring healing to suffering people - "if you've done it unto the least of these, you've don it unto me".

    4) the idea that God's spirit did not stop operating in the world with the apostles, but that the various gifts of the spirit are in operation today (now this one will be controversial in fundamentalist circles, but for myself and so many people I know this one idea was the single most significant element in our spiritual lives in terms of bringing the reality of God's presence and reality to us. And without it, I doubt I would have survived the crisis of faith associated with realizing the scripture can't be dealt with literally when understanding creation)

    Sometimes of course the ideas are not so much new as 'new to the time'.

    (5) The introduction of modern missions into the protestant church was resisted at first because Calvanism would tend to imply people are predestined to become Christians, so what can missions do to change that?

    https://petervanbrussel.wordpress.co...ions-movement/

    (6) the idea of women taking stronger roles in the church and church leadership: Here is an old old idea (for in Christ there is neither jew nor greek, male nor female ... ) that has taken 2000 years to find a place in the church, even though there is evidence women held high position even in the first century church (Mary Magdeline, and then there is the elder whose name was changed from feminine to masculine to fit the dogma of the day ...

    https://juniaproject.com/who-was-junia/

    Source: link above

    We know from the book of Romans that Junia served alongside Paul in his ministry, and was effective enough to be considered a threat to the local authorities, who imprisoned her along with Paul. Paul thought highly enough of Junia and her co-laborer Andronicus that he commended them both in Romans 16:7 as “noted among the apostles”.

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    I could list countless more. But new ideas are often resisted by the church. Yet often those same new ideas lead more people to God, or improve our own understanding of God, and hence our own relationship with God.


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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There are a good many. Shall we start with the printing press and the unorthodox idea that we translate the Bible into the common tongue of the people? Now we all have Bibles because of that. It was not liked very much, or rather, the idea of printing the Bible in languages other than Latin was opposed quite vigorously by the Church. People died for the right to have a Bible translated into their own language.

    Do you believe that helped people get closer to the Lord?


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    FWIW, that's far from the only problem I have with the medieval Roman Catholic Church. Fortunately, that's not the only church that was around; the church of the period from which Rome had schismed didn't have that particular hang-up (for that matter, neither did pre-schism Rome - we still have portions of Scripture around in Old English).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I'll have to admit that was an odd response
    Glad you recognize that, because we were (or at least I was) talking about teaching and theology, not technology, and more in terms of the current (contemporary) environment, not the entirety of Christendom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Glad you recognize that, because we were (or at least I was) talking about teaching and theology, not technology, and more in terms of the current (contemporary) environment, not the entirety of Christendom.
    The idea we should not translate the text is a theological one that people died trying to change. It was contrary to orthodox thought. The printing press allowed that idea to impact the common man.

    Jim
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The idea we should not translate the text is a theological one that people died trying to change. It was contrary to orthodox thought. The printing press allowed that idea to impact the common man.

    Jim
    "the current (contemporary) environment"

    but thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    "the current (contemporary) environment"

    but thanks
    Slavery, gifts of the Spirit, and women's roles in the church are all the last 150 years, with women's roles in the church still in progress and the charasmatic renewal beginning just a few decades ago and still having effect. Civil rights I did not list but it also involved a great deal of theological haranguing in certain circles, especially in southern churches.

    The idea that the only legitimate 'new' ideas affecting theology positively were in the past is wrong. And in a discussion like this, why would one dismiss examples of ideas from the past? They point to the reality there are ideas today that fill the same role. God is a living God, and he is alive and working in the world today, not just yesterday. And not only do we grow in God individually over our lives, the church itself grows and has grown in relationship to God over the millenia.

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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-12-2019 at 06:43 AM.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I copied yours.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Slavery, gifts of the Spirit, and women's roles in the church are all the last 150 years, with women's roles in the church still in progress. Civil rights I did not list but also involved a great deal of theological haranguing in certain circles, especially in southern churches.

    The idea that the only legitimate 'new' ideas were in the past is wrong. And in a discussion like this, why would one dismiss examples of ideas from the past? They point to the reality there are ideas today that fill the same role. God is a living God, and he is alive and working in the world today, not just yesterday.

    Jim
    That might make a great discussion for another thread.
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