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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The origin of the stories are is the first written record in cuneiform texts of the Sumerians, basically the first written language. These were based on the oral traditions of the Sumerians before writing. There are no written records in the Middle East at this time nor before that would support any other origin.

    This is the basic pattern observed in all cultures of the world. Oral traditions were later written down when writing was developed. For example in China the written records of China fairly accurately record events and time they occurred such as the catastrophic flooding event of the river valleys hundreds of years after the event confirmed by geologic records. The geologic record of the catastrophic river flood of the Tigris Euphrates rivers confirm the description of this flood in the Sumerian cuneiform. The oral traditions and the depiction of Tsunamis in the totums of the Northwest Native Americans as the 'great wave' is confirmed by geologic records.
    You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying that the oral traditions proceeded the written form. On the other, you are saying that the only source for people to develop written forms is by copying it from the Sumerians. It hardly matters if there was a written form when there were parallel oral forms being shared. The first written form doesn't particularly claim dibs as being the original form ... unless you have proof that these cuneiforms were on the Times best-seller list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBerean View Post
    Shuny...

    Can you not at least see the possibility that people wrote of what they knew either from stories passed down through generations or from eyewitness testimony?
    Possibilities?!?!?

    I already acknowledged and explained where oral traditions were handed down, and include eyewitness testimony that was later confirmed by geologic evidence.

    Or is there only ONE possible explanation- that somebody said, "that's a cool story - let's make it our own." !!??!!
    This is off the scale, and does not reflect anything I posted. The oral traditions are simply the stories of the cultures that were believed as factual, but of course may be true or false, and written down when they developed writing. Some are supported by archaeological, paleontological, and geologic evidence, others like dragons and world floods have no basis in the objective verifiable evidence. In fact they defy any known possible evidence outside the myth itself.
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    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying that the oral traditions proceeded the written form. On the other, you are saying that the only source for people to develop written forms is by copying it from the Sumerians. It hardly matters if there was a written form when there were parallel oral forms being shared. The first written form doesn't particularly claim dibs as being the original form ... unless you have proof that these cuneiforms were on the Times best-seller list.
    Proof in this case is fool's quest. The matter of fact evidence is what we have to deal with instead of wishful thinking and speculation of what one hopes may exist.

    No contradiction whatsoever. You are arguing from ignorance basing this line of reasoning on the claim of possible evidence that simply does not exist. There is simply no Hebrew writing nor written language that offers any hope of the possibility of a 'parallel text' from a parallel oral tradition.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The origin of the stories are is the first written record in cuneiform texts of the Sumerians, basically the first written language. These were based on the oral traditions of the Sumerians before writing. There are no written records in the Middle East at this time nor before that would support any other origin.
    And what was the source of the oral tradition?
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    The Bible records Abraham as being from Ur, so it is possible that the Biblical accounts of times predating Abraham will originate in with his background. Of course, we would have to preclude any information about those times being imparted to Abraham during his encounters with God.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    The Bible records Abraham as being from Ur, so it is possible that the Biblical accounts of times predating Abraham will originate in with his background. Of course, we would have to preclude any information about those times being imparted to Abraham during his encounters with God.
    ?
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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