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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI could do without sea lions.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you know what "sealioning" is?
And I do wish people here would stop doing it. It's a rather pointless way of engaging.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou guys appear to be dedicated to the proposition of misrepresenting what I am saying...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI do now!
And I do wish people here would stop doing it. It's a rather pointless way of engaging.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAgain, it is not about "Seer" or any other specific individual; it is about the harm done by phrasing things in a way that continually links "violence" to "being black." The statement "black people are more violent than whites" is simply untrue, and the phrasing is misleading and contributes to a pervasive social problem. Is it REALLY that much of an issue to simply adjust language to better reflect reality and not contribute to this stereotype?
Bottom line, however, is that it's not the phrasing that's the problem, it's the way people misinterpret the statement, either deliberately (and often maliciously) or unknowingly, even when the context clearly shows that the latter (i.e higher rate of violence in the black community) meaning is intended, rather than the former, racist meaning. So the ones contributing to the social problem are the people who are uncharitably interpreting the statement in a racist manner, regardless of the context, not the ones who are uttering it (with the exception of the people who are actually using it in the former, racist sense of course).
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIMO, this type of exchange is what leads to many to point to conservatives and Republicans and scream "racist." Even the simplest of requests to consider the impact of words (never mind actions) is fought to the last man. I don't defend people making that accusation on such a sweeping scale, but I am beginning to understand it.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostNo, what leads many to point to conservatives and Republicans and scream "racist" is poor reading and listening comprehension skills and emotional thinking instead of analyzing statement such as the above rationally in their proper context.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJust out of curiosity, was there a privacy statement or agreement you signed when you started wearing the bodycam? Or was it all just verbal."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostJust a thought. This does not seem to me to be a "freedom of speech" issue. No one is saying, "you cannot post this on Facebook." What it seems to me is being said is, "we cannot afford to have a police officer with racist views armed and charged with enforcing the law." It doesn't matter how you learn they have racist views. It could be locker-room talk, a complaint from a suspect, a video taken on someone's smart phone, a chest-cam, a post on Facebook, or the swastika tattoo on their forehead (TIC).
What matters is the caliber of people wearing the blue and charged with public safety. I would consider it a basic job requirement that someone applying to be a police officer not exhibit racial prejudice (or any prejudice) that could color the performance of their job.
I don't have a problem with firing racist officers, I'm just saying that my freedom of speech is severely curtailed by my employer. I can't comment on police-community relations, I'm not allowed to publicly state where I work on social media, I have to be careful that anything I say about politics is mainstream enough that people won't be offended by it, etc.
Do you consider it a basic job requirement of police officers that they can't say anything substantive publicly on social media without fearing for their job? I don't specifically name where I work because, of all the stuff I've talked about, I'd rather not face disciplinary proceedings at work. In other words, I can only comfortably discuss these issues in public if I'm anonymous. And it's not because I'm embarrassed or afraid to express myself, it's because I have no idea how some pissed-off captain at my agency will choose to interpret our super vague social media policy."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere is no "proof" for anything, but yes those hiding from the facts of history are conveniently ignoring the second issue. They are getting sand in their ears."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI consider that a "good thing." Frankly, any office who is thinking about pulling that trigger should be thinking pretty hard about the ramifications, whatever the skin color of the suspect.
But I agree that having to think differently because they are black versus white is not a desirable thing. So to fix that, we need to root out racism in the police force, and ensure that any cop on the beat does not have a hint of racism to their history, their private life, or their public life. We need to make sure that a black person and a white person, charged with the same crime under similar circumstances, is treated identically by the system. We need to stop criminalizing drug use and focus on drug distribution, getting the people who are using the medical help they need, and putting the distributors in jail. We need to eliminate anti-marijuana laws, treat it as we do alcohol, and release the sea of people in jail (some for life) on nothing more than being caught with a couple of reefers.
That would be a good start.
Not all that long ago, we had an officer-involved shooting. I got there about 4-6 minutes after it happened. Dead guy is still cooling on the pavement, and my supervisor's first comment when we huddle up for assignments? "Thank God the dead guy's white." The shooting was not controversial, but if the dead guy had been black you can absolutely bet it would be been controversial. The media, and many times the community don't care about the fact set -- they care about whether or not a black person got hurt. And that's sad but true."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostActually, they are saying I can't post certain things on Facebook. There are appeals court (and I believe a US Supreme Court) ruling that says I can't rant about my employer publicly on Facebook without facing disciplinary proceedings at work. They've upheld the firing of an officer who posted criticism of their agency on Facebook, because the officer couldn't prove that they did it out of concern for the public's right to know about the issues she was complaining about.
I don't have a problem with firing racist officers, I'm just saying that my freedom of speech is severely curtailed by my employer. I can't comment on police-community relations, I'm not allowed to publicly state where I work on social media, I have to be careful that anything I say about politics is mainstream enough that people won't be offended by it, etc.
Do you consider it a basic job requirement of police officers that they can't say anything substantive publicly on social media without fearing for their job? I don't specifically name where I work because, of all the stuff I've talked about, I'd rather not face disciplinary proceedings at work. In other words, I can only comfortably discuss these issues in public if I'm anonymous. And it's not because I'm embarrassed or afraid to express myself, it's because I have no idea how some pissed-off captain at my agency will choose to interpret our super vague social media policy."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostHonestly, anyone working in an at-will state can be fired for any reason. But,more to your point, I'm an IT guy working at a Major Medical Insurance provider and people are fired all the time for posting criticism against the Insurance company on social media. So, I don't think it's a Free Speech issue against LEO's per se...and TBH, you can say it all you want, but that doesn't protect you from being disciplined or fired for saying it...just like millions of other Americans."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostWhatever. You don't understand what I'm talking about, and I'm not interested in spending a lot of time explaining it. I'll bet CP knows.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by myth View PostActually, they are saying I can't post certain things on Facebook. There are appeals court (and I believe a US Supreme Court) ruling that says I can't rant about my employer publicly on Facebook without facing disciplinary proceedings at work. They've upheld the firing of an officer who posted criticism of their agency on Facebook, because the officer couldn't prove that they did it out of concern for the public's right to know about the issues she was complaining about.
I don't have a problem with firing racist officers, I'm just saying that my freedom of speech is severely curtailed by my employer. I can't comment on police-community relations, I'm not allowed to publicly state where I work on social media, I have to be careful that anything I say about politics is mainstream enough that people won't be offended by it, etc.
Do you consider it a basic job requirement of police officers that they can't say anything substantive publicly on social media without fearing for their job? I don't specifically name where I work because, of all the stuff I've talked about, I'd rather not face disciplinary proceedings at work. In other words, I can only comfortably discuss these issues in public if I'm anonymous. And it's not because I'm embarrassed or afraid to express myself, it's because I have no idea how some pissed-off captain at my agency will choose to interpret our super vague social media policy.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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