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    Police officers nationwide flagged for racist and violent social media posts

    Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-officers-nationwide-alleged-racist-violent-social-media-posts-plain-view-project-2019-06-07/



    The Philadelphia Police Department is joining other law enforcement agencies nationwide in reviewing hundreds of police officers' alleged racist and violent social media posts. Authorities say 10 officers have been placed on desk duty after the initial review, CBS Philadelphia reported.


    Hundreds of Philadelphia Police officers, even some high-ranking lieutenants and sergeants, are taking heat over the posts on Facebook. "What we have been told and read is both frustrating and disappointing," Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross said.

    The comments were collected by researchers with the Plain View Project, which spent two years looking at the personal Facebook accounts of police from Arizona to Florida. In 2016, Philly-based attorneys began compiling Facebook posts from current and former officers in departments across the country.


    The Dallas Police Department is working with the project's leader and going over each post to see if department policy was violated, a spokeswoman told The Associated Press.

    Ekram Haque, interim executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations Dallas/Fort Worth chapter, condemned some of the posts as Islamophobic and racist.

    The Dallas Police Department should denounce the posts and assure city residents "of all faiths and ethnicities that they will receive professional and unbiased service from their police officers," Haque said in a statement.

    Dallas Police Association President Mike Mata said some posts may merely be dark humor or have been taken out of context. But he said the department should act if something is "a shock to the conscience."

    In a statement posted on Twitter, the Dallas Police Department said it is "thoroughly investigating the names and posts" listed by the Plain View Project "to determine if the officers violated the Department's Social Media Policy, or any other departmental policy." It said it will make the findings public when the investigation is complete.

    "We take these matters seriously and we want to ensure the community that we will not tolerate racism, bigotry or hatred of any kind in our organization," Dallas Police said.

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    It's been well known for at least 10-15 years that putting things on your social media that reflects badly on you can backfire. I cannot comprehend the stupidity of anybody who still manages to throw away their career online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    It's been well known for at least 10-15 years that putting things on your social media that reflects badly on you can backfire. I cannot comprehend the stupidity of anybody who still manages to throw away their career online.
    True, I was more concerned with the racist and violent views expressed by the law officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    True, I was more concerned with the racist and violent views expressed by the law officers.
    You could no doubt find similarly "racist and violent views" expressed by members of all professions. I also have my suspicions that the researchers are using a very loose definition of "racist and violent views".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    You could no doubt find similarly "racist and violent views" expressed by members of all professions.
    'No doubt'?!?!? What a rouse. If you have comparable surveys please present them. Maybe biker gangs or extreme right wing groups, separatist movements, or left wing revolutionary movements.


    I also have my suspicions that the researchers are using a very loose definition of "racist and violent views".
    The accusations were specific and documented to the point that the administrations are taking disciplinary actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    'No doubt'?!?!? What a rouse. If you have comparable surveys please present them. Maybe biker gangs or extreme right wing groups, separatist movements, or left wing revolutionary movements.




    The accusations were specific and documented to the point that the administrations are taking disciplinary actions.
    Get over yourself. I'm sure there are plenty of groups where one could find similar comments on social media, though probably not other groups of people who are scrutinized as rigorously.

    Also, I fully expect to see violent posts on police officers' social media. We're comfortable with violence (have to be), and sometimes...I dunno, forget....that it's violence isn't very politically correct.

    The racism thing, though....well, people suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myth View Post
    Get over yourself. I'm sure there are plenty of groups where one could find similar comments on social media, though probably not other groups of people who are scrutinized as rigorously.

    Also, I fully expect to see violent posts on police officers' social media. We're comfortable with violence (have to be), and sometimes...I dunno, forget....that it's violence isn't very politically correct.

    The racism thing, though....well, people suck.
    Get over yourself. Your sure there are what?!?!?! Cite references if you fell this strongly about it. This is not just 'comments' on social media. It was strong enough that law enforcement in various cities are taking disciplinary action against the law enforcement officers.

    Coherent responses with references are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    'No doubt'?!?!? What a rouse. If you have comparable surveys please present them. Maybe biker gangs or extreme right wing groups, separatist movements, or left wing revolutionary movements.




    The accusations were specific and documented to the point that the administrations are taking disciplinary actions.
    Perhaps the obvious is not obvious? Since police officers can and do sometimes abuse their power, with sometimes fatal consequences, and that often officers must make life and death decisions in a split second, it is critical for the safety of the public, for the public trust, and for the officers safety that there be no obvious, publicly aired bias towards or hatred of specific races or social groups.

    It interferes with their capacity to do their jobs.

    It reflects badly on the good officers.

    It endangers the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Get over yourself. Your sure there are what?!?!?! Cite references if you fell this strongly about it. This is not just 'comments' on social media. It was strong enough that law enforcement in various cities are taking disciplinary action against the law enforcement officers.

    Coherent responses with references are welcome.
    I haven't claimed to have such research, I'm making an argument from logic. Since you seem to disagree, how about you explain why you think police officers are prone to racism and violence at a higher rate than the general population? Because that seems to me to be a very illogical assumption built on your own bias.

    The fact that law enforcement admin is taking disciplinary action doesn't mean anything at all. Big city admin frequently discipline officers based on whichever direction the political wind is blowing. For example, suddenly at my agency, people are getting wrote up for using foul language. The entire Department uses foul language to one degree or another, and so do 99% of our 'clients', but the new chief doesn't much like it. So excuse me for not holding my breath over the significance of officers being disciplined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myth View Post
    I haven't claimed to have such research, I'm making an argument from logic. Since you seem to disagree, how about you explain why you think police officers are prone to racism and violence at a higher rate than the general population? Because that seems to me to be a very illogical assumption built on your own bias.
    I don't think that is the point at all. As public servants with the responsibility to make split second life and death decisions, it is imperitive they not carry any intrinsic bias or hatred for specific groups of people with them as they perform their duties.

    IOW, police officers need to be a subgroup that significantly exceeds the norm in terms of high moral standards and a capacity to fairly enforce the law.


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