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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostFew people are psychopaths and tend to seek justifications their actions as ‘being for the greater good’ or something to that effect.
Either that or just be corrupt to start with
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo. If a debater cites a single, specifically selected person (hence "cherry picking") and offers it as some form of proof for an oft-repeated (hence "meme") inn accuracy, then they have no done much to make their case.
Of course there are other blacks who recognize Democrat reparations for the pandering that it is
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...divisive-sham/
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostMany of them, but you can start with 165, 161, 151, and 146.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt does seem that most government is so bad these days the only way to be able to justify participating in it is to find some way to convince one's self one is working for the greater good.
Either that or just be corrupt to start with
Jim"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe best programs I’ve seen are those with grass roots where involvement happens on a local level vs in the halls of Congress.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOne thing is certain, you are a pro at idly dismissing any piece of information you don't like.
Of course there are other blacks who recognize Democrat reparations for the pandering that it is
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...divisive-sham/
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAll I see in those posts is a (perhaps deliberate) misreading of seer's position. All he's done is cite official crime statistics without any commentary about why the stats are the way they are. It's you who keeps going on about the link between "blackness" or "being black" and violence to the point that one could reasonably suspect that you are battling your own feelings of racism and are desperate to convince yourself that everybody else feels the same.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnfortunately, such programs are often extremely limited in their ability to solve widespread options. IMO, the ideal program is one in which the resources of the federal are channeled to support local initiatives, with appropriate oversight in place to ensure resources are not diverted or squandered. If you want to tackle "poverty" nationally, a few local initiatives here and there is not going to do the deed. However, a federally championed and resourced program that is controlled locally provides the motivation for localities to act, and resources they can use to do the work. If the resources are provided on the basis of "matching," that much the better - because it stimulates local contributions and involvement to solve problems."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow. You guys appear to be dedicated to the proposition of misrepresenting what I am saying (again), all the while accusing me of misrepresenting someone else. I'll leave it to y'all. Further exchanges are fairly clearly futile.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHabit for Humanity seems to work rather well.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe anti slavery movement seems to have ended slavery. The anti segregation movement worked out pretty well too.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThis is called an ‘opinion’ and you know what they say about those. See the government loves cookie cutter solutions to problems because they are easier to pass. Problem is the US is a diverse place and cookie cutter solutions, implemented by people far removed rarely work as well as intended. The government had had a ‘war on poverty’ going on since Johnson was president and despite trillions of dollars and 5 decades, poverty still exist with poorly ran programs as the end result. As the story about the millionaire successfully getting food stamps shows, it doesn’t seem to work all that well. The government is great at making laws, spending globs of money, and making people feel good. Results well, often are mixed.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow. You guys appear to be dedicated to the proposition of misrepresenting what I am saying (again)...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat's the common denominator here, Carpe?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSince you asked a question not directly related to the previous discussion, I'll respond. From my perspective, the common denominator is "TWeb." This is not a dynamic I encounter anywhere else. Of course, I cannot prove that to anyone - so I leave it to you as to whether or not to accept my word for it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, why do you treat us differently?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWell...it might be the horses...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI didn't say they don't "work." I said they generally don't solve systemic problems. HFH has built some 800,000 homes in the U.S. in 43 years (since 1976). At an average of 20,000 homes a year, that's impressive. At least until you realize that there are 500,000+ homeless people people in the U.S. and until you look at the housing statistics for the U.S. That's when you realize HFH is a great start, but barely making a dent on the problem. A great start is better than nothing, but a comprehensive program to solve the problem would be better.
This is a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison. Neither of these was a "program" in the sense that was being discussed. It was a movement that started at the local level - with an aim to get the federal government moving and acting to support the initiative with the appropriate laws.
That is why the local component is critical. The programs you are citing were basically "top-down" dictated and controlled. Instead of saying, "this is the problem that needs to be solved, and these are the metrics that will be used to assess if you've solved them," the programs say "this is how you are to solve this problem," creating a cookie cutter model that inevitably failed. Basic business management practices: give your people the goal, the metrics by which you will assess progress, and the resources they need to do the job. Then get out of the way, providing only oversight to ensure objectives are being met in a timely fashion and resources appropriately used."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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