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    Another Backdoor Attack On Guns Rights...

    Does this mean that you could sue a car company if one intentionally killed people with their car?

    Democrats in Congress introduced legislation Tuesday that seeks to repeal legal protections for firearm manufacturers, opening the door for shooting victims to sue companies that create firearms.

    What are the details?
    The bill, titled, "The Equal Access to Justice for Victims of Gun Violence Act," seeks to repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, a 2005 law that immunizes the firearm industry from civil liability in both state and federal courts.

    "[The bill] will allow civil cases to go forward against irresponsible actors in state and federal courts, just as they would if they involved any other product. Letting courts hear these cases would provide victims of gun violence their day in court," reads a press release about the bill.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/democr...l-repeal-plcaa
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    The standard argument is "because killing somebody with the gun is using it for its intended purpose" (an argument I find unconvincing).

    I think the manufacturer should be in the clear if sales included receiving a disclaimer that one must secure the weapon and not use it in the course of committing any crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think the manufacturer should be in the clear if sales included receiving a disclaimer that one must secure the weapon and not use it in the course of committing any crimes.
    We wouldn't say that with cars for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    We wouldn't say that with cars for instance.
    Are you referring to my post or your original post there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The standard argument is "because killing somebody with the gun is using it for its intended purpose" (an argument I find unconvincing).

    I think the manufacturer should be in the clear if sales included receiving a disclaimer that one must secure the weapon and not use it in the course of committing any crimes.
    I'm not sure that disclaimer would necessarily work....If it's worded incorrectly, then shooting someone committing a crime would be "using it for it's intended purpose" and would still allow those shot to sue. IIRC, there are many states that do not allow someone to profit from a crime? So maybe that would negate it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    We wouldn't say that with cars for instance.
    (I don't know this answer....) if you leave your keys in the ignition and the car unlocked, you could not be sued for negligence if someone stole it and the was killed or killed someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    (I don't know this answer....) if you leave your keys in the ignition and the car unlocked, you could not be sued for negligence if someone stole it and the was killed or killed someone else?
    Right but you wouldn't sue the car maker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The standard argument is "because killing somebody with the gun is using it for its intended purpose" (an argument I find unconvincing).

    I think the manufacturer should be in the clear if sales included receiving a disclaimer that one must secure the weapon and not use it in the course of committing any crimes.
    The last few guns I purchased included all kinds of safety instructions and disclaimers, plus a trigger lock, a toll-free number for assistance on safety... While I knew at the time that I was buying a FIREARM, not a nerf football, I coudln't help but note the lengths to which the gun manufacturer and seller were going to make sure I was aware I was buying something that could be very dangerous, and even deadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    (I don't know this answer....) if you leave your keys in the ignition and the car unlocked, you could not be sued for negligence if someone stole it and the was killed or killed someone else?
    Yes, and, personally, I have no problem with holding a negligent gun owner responsible for their negligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The last few guns I purchased included all kinds of safety instructions and disclaimers, plus a trigger lock, a toll-free number for assistance on safety... While I knew at the time that I was buying a FIREARM, not a nerf football, I coudln't help but note the lengths to which the gun manufacturer and seller were going to make sure I was aware I was buying something that could be very dangerous, and even deadly.
    This has been my experience as well.
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