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    Why The Church Should Deal With Prophecy Experts

    What difference does it make if someone is a prophecy expert?

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    What difference does it make if Christians claim to be prophecy experts? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Last Friday I wrote about how to be a prophecy expert, which was rather tongue in cheek in its approach. Now why do such a thing? Granted, I donít care for dispensationalist thinking a bit, but is there something more to it? Is there some actual danger that is at work with this?

    Yes there is. For one thing, when a preacher like John Hagee makes these claims, people take it seriously. Some of these claims have been so serious that people have sold their homes and such, particularly with people like Harold Camping. People then broadcast all of this everywhere and guess what the media sees as representative of Christianity?

    Let me state this right upfront also. There are plenty of good dispensationalists who love Jesus and donít at all buy into this kind of behavior and condemn it. They donít go out making active predictions about when the rapture will take place and donít try to find fulfillments of the Bible in the news everyday. I even had a dispensationalist come on my show to critique The Harbinger.

    Now letís get back to the media. This idea is something then that really damages our witness to the world. If we can be shown to be wrong on something that people can verify easily, such as a simple realization that the end of the world didnít come on such and such a date, why should they take us seriously on what they canít verify so quickly, such as the resurrection of Jesus?

    If a pastor does this, the pastor needs to be held to account. John Hagee should not have the public ministry he does after his blood moons error. When we have a pastor who has an affair or something of that sort, we call him to account, and rightfully so. Shouldnít we do the same with a pastor who shares false teaching at this level?

    Note also that these people never seem to recant of their errors. Hagee has never said anything in repentance about the blood moons that I know of. I know a lady who blocked me from her channel on YouTube because she made predictions based on the solar eclipse a couple of years ago in August and I kept asking if she would repent. Nope. Never happened.

    Second, prophecy experts can tend to distract us from our real mission. There are Christians with all the charts and graphs that can tell when the rapture is to take place and who the antichrist is, but they donít have a clue on the doctrine of the atonement, or the Trinity, or the resurrection of Jesus.

    This is not to say that one could never study the former, but if you know more about that than you do about the essentials, you have a problem. We have a tendency to go for this knowledge that seems more esoteric. After all, you are in the know if you know that stuff.

    This gets to another concern. Many people study this so much that they try to figure out everything about who the antichrist is. They spend less time thinking about who Jesus is. Shouldnít He be our main focus?

    Finally, these ideas also have very large political ramifications. How do we treat the nation of Israel and peace treaties and such? Many people are hesitant to see any peace treaty signed because they are convinced thatís the antichrist. (As if if that was the case, we could somehow stop a prophecy from being fulfilled.) How much energy has been spent trying to make a red heifer (You know, God needs the help). What we think about prophecy could affect people all over the world we donít know about.

    I encourage Christians to really study end times ideas on their own. I say that as someone who grew up with the dispensationlist movement. Now I have found my eschatological home in orthodox Preterism. This viewpoint makes the most sense of all of the Scriptures, but if I abandoned it tomorrow, I would still have the same problem with prophecy experts.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    When you say "prophesy experts" are you referring to people who "interpret" the various prophesies in the bible (particularly the end times) or of people who claim to be "prophets" and are making prophesies?

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    Unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible for "the church" to do much because it is so fractured. At best, the expert's denomination can condemn him/her.
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    When I was younger, we used to have "prophecy experts" come to our Church on a fairly regular basis (a couple times a year) with their charts and graphs and timelines 'proving' that Jesus would return after X event, or that Y and Z needed to occur, THEN Christ would return, etc.... It was mostly pre-trib pre-millenial rapture stuff with with cliff notes.

    Since then, I've become a panmillenialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    When I was younger, we used to have "prophecy experts" come to our Church on a fairly regular basis (a couple times a year) with their charts and graphs and timelines 'proving' that Jesus would return after X event, or that Y and Z needed to occur, THEN Christ would return, etc.... It was mostly pre-trib pre-millenial rapture stuff with with cliff notes.

    Since then, I've become a panmillenialist.
    That stuff was popular back in the 70s and 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    That stuff was popular back in the 70s and 80s.
    Well, yes, that's when it was! Along with all the "Left Behind" and Hal Lindsey.......
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    When I was in youth group back in the 90's, we watched one of the rapture movies that were made in the 70's or 80's and were still popular in the 90's. I think it was a miniseries we watched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    When you say "prophesy experts" are you referring to people who "interpret" the various prophesies in the bible (particularly the end times) or of people who claim to be "prophets" and are making prophesies?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    When I was in youth group back in the 90's, we watched one of the rapture movies that were made in the 70's or 80's and were still popular in the 90's. I think it was a miniseries we watched.
    I always got a kick out of the "advanced electronics" they portrayed --- sometimes downright goofy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    When I was in youth group back in the 90's, we watched one of the rapture movies that were made in the 70's or 80's and were still popular in the 90's. I think it was a miniseries we watched.
    You mean like A Thief in the Night? They scared us with those movies when I was young.

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