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Thread: Preposition + Casing in Matthew 6:4 and 6:6

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    And just finished looking at 6:6. Same thing but probably "whatever" sounds nicer.

    ... pray to God whatever is in secret and God who sees that which is in secret will reward you.

    Ok, I think I answered my own question unless I interpreted the grammar incorrectly!

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    ο πατηρ σου ο βλεπων ... εν τω κρυπτω ... αποδωσει σοι ... εν τω φανερω
    The Father of you (the one) seeing ... in the concealed ... will give_back/return/reward to you ... in the open/public.

    Note that φανερω is also an adjective, with which we have no problem ... a reward being given "in the open" needs no explanation, and there is no need to provide a noun (readily understood, "the" in "the open" presses the adjective into service as a noun.) Koine Greek uses that process more often than does English, but with "in the concealed," concealed being an adjective (in KG), "the" presses "concealed" into service as a noun. Similarly, "the" + "blind" or + "lame" or + "rich" or + "poor" (which are also technically adjectives).

    So: "your Father, seeing (what is done) secretly, will reward openly." (in + noun or adjective frequently presses the noun or adjective into service as an adverb.)
    Last edited by tabibito; 06-20-2019 at 07:24 PM.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    How did you get εν τω φανερω? o.O

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    εν τω φανερω is recorded in the Byzantine Majority Text and the Textus Receptus for both verses. UBS5 doesn't have that part, but it still provides a useful demonstration, in a familiar context, for how "εν τω κρυπτω" works.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    εν τω φανερω is recorded in the Byzantine Majority Text and the Textus Receptus for both verses. UBS5 doesn't have that part, but it still provides a useful demonstration, in a familiar context, for how "εν τω κρυπτω" works.
    I feel very left out right now lol I guess "free" has its limitations!

    Are you using software like Logos or something to get the texts?

    BTW, that is a really cool link and metaphor - the hypocrites put their deeds on display, the believer hides it, God sees what is hidden and exposes it to everyone. Thanks for that extra bit of info!

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    Free software from "theword.net" (also from esword, but I don't like that one as much).

    You need to load in modules (also free) Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionary, Byzantine Majority Texts, MLSJ Intermediate Greek-English lexicon (LSJ is better but harder to use). Also recommended Septuagint, Textus Receptus, Septuagint in English, and a couple of versions of English Language Bibles ... and other languages as appropriate.
    stuff to buy - BDAG (not the abridged TDNT - it isn't worth the money and aggravation), some versions of the Bible. Free commentaries aren't considered scholarly resources - better to buy one if you insist on having such things.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    k, i'll check that out over the weekend. thx!

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