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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd that is why we call it natural, it's the "nature" of our experience. We don't have any such empirical experience of a distinct existence. If there were a distinct existing thing, that created this world, and you give them both the same defining title, then it wouldn't make any difference what you call it, you could call it supernatural, or you could call it natural, either term would mean the same thing. So, all you are really doing is trying to say that the world, because, in your opinion, it was created is supernatural in order to tie it to a creator. So, you could call it mickey mouse if you wanted, it doesn't help your underlying agenda, it doesn't prove that an existing entity, distinct from this universe does indeed exist.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, what I'm saying is you can't claim that this is a natural universe without begging the question... Because you don't know.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo seer, what you are saying is that we can't claim that this universe wasn't created without begging the question. But, this universe is all that we do know of, so we are justified in calling it natural as opposed to your alternative of supernatural. You on the other hand have no evidence of a creator, therefore it is you who is begging the question. Give it up while your behind, seer.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI said earlier that if something is created by intelligence it is not "natural."
Natural would be that created by non-intelligent forces of nature. So if this universe was created by non-intelligent forces I would consider that natural. If created by intelligence then non-natural.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo seer, what you are saying is that we can't claim that this universe wasn't created without begging the question. But, this universe is all that we do know of, so we are justified in calling it natural as opposed to your alternative of supernatural. You on the other hand have no evidence of a creator, therefore it is you who is begging the question. Give it up while your behind, seer.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut there is no supernatural in my definitions Jim, and by my definitions of natural and non-natural you (we) do not know which this universe is. Tell me logically why you are justified in calling that universe natural. Apart from asserting an opinion? How would a natural universe differ from a non-natural universe? What would we look for?
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