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  • #16
    Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
    Yes. Are you saying that you want to stand for the whole sermon, or are you saying that you want all the Bible quotes to be crammed into one section and stood for?
    C) Stand for the reading of the passage under discussion. Sit for the sermon. This is not rocket science.
    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      Or they'll make you "Stand for the reading of God's word" at the beginning (which is stupid), then read a passage of several verses to you, and then you'll sit down and that'll be the end of the Bible citations.
      Then there are the preachers who try to keep the congregation engaged by saying, "I'm almost done!" even when they're not. I knew one preacher who would start that routine 15-minutes in to a 90-minute message.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Then there are the preachers who try to keep the congregation engaged by saying, "I'm almost done!" even when they're not. I knew one preacher who would start that routine 15-minutes in to a 90-minute message.
        The pastor we listen to often is 45 minutes into a 60 minute sermon and says, "That was the introduction".

        We know by then that it's going to be a 2 or 3 parter.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          C) Stand for the reading of the passage under discussion. Sit for the sermon. This is not rocket science.
          I went to a catholic service one time and it seemed to be a constant series of stand/sit/stand/sit. I almost broke out laughing.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I went to a catholic service one time and it seemed to be a constant series of stand/sit/stand/sit. I almost broke out laughing.
            ECREE. There had to be a few "kneel" periods in there somewhere, too.

            Sitting at all in church, except for the elderly/infirm, is a fairly modern conception. The sermon as focal point is a Reformation thing.
            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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            • #21
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              ECREE. There had to be a few "kneel" periods in there somewhere, too.

              Sitting at all in church, except for the elderly/infirm, is a fairly modern conception. The sermon as focal point is a Reformation thing.
              yeah, there were some kneelings too. I think it might have been a catholic wedding, but it was a long time ago.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                The pastor we listen to often is 45 minutes into a 60 minute sermon and says, "That was the introduction".

                We know by then that it's going to be a 2 or 3 parter.
                I think the story about Paul preaching late into the night, and the young man falling asleep and tumbling out of a second story window is a cautionary tale to pastors to keep their sermons short!

                (And also to not sit in open windows.)
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  There does come a time where the company at a church starts to interfere with one's own walk: that's when the idea of wiping the dust from one's feet does become worthy of consideration.
                  These days, I'm feeling a little more Zechariahish: "In one month I got rid of the three shepherds. The flock detested me, and I grew weary of them 9 and said, “I will not be your shepherd. Let the dying die, and the perishing perish. Let those who are left eat one another’s flesh.” - Zechariah 11:8-9
                  "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                  "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    I think the story about Paul preaching late into the night, and the young man falling asleep and tumbling out of a second story window is a cautionary tale to pastors to keep their sermons short!

                    (And also to not sit in open windows.)
                    Honestly, our pastor's hour-long sermons are wonderful. Time goes TOO fast, and I always want more.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I went to a catholic service one time and it seemed to be a constant series of stand/sit/stand/sit. I almost broke out laughing.
                      Sounds like a Novus Ordo Mass - which is somewhat notorious for the amount of standing and sitting it involves. The 1962 Mass involves much less gymnastics. After the end of the homily/sermon in both, there is much less sitting and standing.
                      Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 06-30-2019, 05:14 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                        I think the Easter sermon was the end for me. Instead of a solid, triumphant "Christ is risen!" I got a sermon I titled "Taking selfies at the empty tomb." That's when I really internalized, they're happy as they are and I would be viewed as divisive if I tried to change even a small part. [par. 2, emphasis added]
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