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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I'm not demonizing anybody, ya big goof, I'm asking QUESTIONS.
    Its classic deflection, you are put into defensive mode so they can cover up the fact the goal is to offset your vote with a compliant voter from south of the boarder, so their opposition becomes irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And I think you are. Identifying people who are breaking the law as lawbreakers is simple factual identification.
    Contrary to popular belief, entering the U.S. at any point along its border and seeking asylum is not illegal, so lumping asylum seekers in with "illegal immigrants" is simply more "us versus them" language designed to separate and dehumanize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    The raids are against people who have outstanding warrants for deportation. That's not dehumanizing them. It's enforcing the law. The fact that you are emotionalizing it doesn't make it an emotional issue.
    The raids are targeted to those people, but every attempt to get clarification as to whether other immigrants encountered in the process would likewise be deported has resulted in silence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    I like how liberals are busy demonizing their opposition so they can cover up the fact the goal is to bring in a new liberal voter to make their opposition irrelevant.
    So, by implication, you are arguing that new immigrants should not be admitted or allowed to become citizens because they might vote democratic?
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, entering the U.S. at any point along its border and seeking asylum is not illegal, so lumping asylum seekers in with "illegal immigrants" is simply more "us versus them" language designed to separate and dehumanize.

    That's not true. As soon as they cross the border while not at a point of entry, they have broken the law.



    The raids are targeted to those people, but every attempt to get clarification as to whether other immigrants encountered in the process would likewise be deported has resulted in silence.
    If they are here illegally too,


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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    So, by implication, you are arguing that new immigrants should not be admitted or allowed to become citizens because they might vote democratic?
    Im saying that democrats want to ignore laws so they can offset votes for their opponents and make America outside the large cities irrelevant. Why else do they flat out lie about what is going on, want laws ignored, pass measures to allow them to vote, are against voter ID laws, and were angry when Trump decided to ship them to their districts and cities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    That's not true. As soon as they cross the border while not at a point of entry, they have broken the law.
    Actually - no. While it is true that the preferred methods for requesting asylum are either to do so at a U.S. embassy abroad, do so in writing from abroad, or do so at a legal point of entry, U.S. law and international treaty commitments guarantee refugees an avenue to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country.​ If you enter at a non-port of entry and do not immediately surrender to the border patrols, then you have entered illegally. If you cross the boarder and immediately seek out a border patrol and request asylum, you have not by law and by treaty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    If they are here illegally too,
    This one I will leave to you. Personally, I do not think the onus for the current pool of illegal immigrants should be placed 100% on the backs of the people in question. We, the U.S., have some accountability as well and should be taking responsibility for our part in the situation. That is why I advocate for a balanced immigration policy that factors in the responsibilities of all parties.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Im saying that democrats want to ignore laws so they can offset votes for their opponents and make America outside the large cities irrelevant. Why else do they flat out lie about what is going on, want laws ignored, pass measures to allow them to vote, are against voter ID laws, and were angry when Trump decided to ship them to their districts and cities?
    So what lies have they told?
    What laws are being ignored?
    Where has any measure been passed to allow non-citizens to vote?

    VoterID laws are resisted because they attempt to solve a problem that has not been shown to exist, and they make voting by legal citizens harder. The right claims the left is trying to "beef up their voting block." The left claims the right is trying to make it harder for legal citizens who are likely to vote Democratic to vote at all. If either is true, it is reprehensible.

    I was not happy with the "ship them to their districts and cities" policy simply because of the unnecessary cost involved. My position on what should be happening at the border is a simple one: beef up the resources to handle asylum/immigration claims quickly and immediately deport those who do not qualify. In time, it will become clear that bogus claims will simply not get past the border and the rate of arrival will adjust accordingly. Requiring asylum seekers to request asylum from the first "safe" country is also a good idea - as is enabling embassies abroad to handle a greater number of requests.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Where has any measure been passed to allow non-citizens to vote?
    Maryland city voted Tuesday night to enfranchise noncitizens, the latest in a growing effort to expand immigrant voting rights.

    IMMIGRANTS ARE GETTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN CITIES ACROSS AMERICA


    https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-...america-664467
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    I have never been against voter ID laws in general, but I believe voter ID laws are unjust if every measure to allow to vote hasn't been taken. This includes such measures as voting by mail.

    Any law that makes it artificially difficult to acquire the means of voting, or that systematically target certain demographics, are indefensible. They will only be defended if they benefit the party in power. Like gerrymandering, which conservatives in the US are uneasy about, but don't really do anything about because they stand to benefit from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Maryland city voted Tuesday night to enfranchise noncitizens, the latest in a growing effort to expand immigrant voting rights.

    IMMIGRANTS ARE GETTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN CITIES ACROSS AMERICA


    https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-...america-664467
    Several towns and cities in Maryland have started allowing non-citizens to vote in municipal elections since 2017

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