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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Yes they can, they could have anti-democratic views, but disagreeing with American policy is not being anti-American. I believe that is something you once joined the service to defend, no?
    Yes, I defended my right to call socialists anti-american.
    Last edited by seer; 07-18-2019, 09:49 AM.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Yes they can, they could have anti-democratic views, but disagreeing with American policy is not being anti-American. I believe that is something you once joined the service to defend, no?
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Yes, I defended my right to call socialists anti-american.
      Oh I see, so you defended your right to an opinion, but only your right?
      Last edited by JimL; 07-18-2019, 09:50 AM.

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      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        Yes.



        So I'm seeing here a call to step out of complacency, to wake people up to the need for them to advocate for themselves.

        What exactly are you seeing?
        She blatantly implied that blacks are not really black unless they agree with her and her ideas of blackness.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          Just poking fun at seer for his funny typo.
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            She blatantly implied that blacks are not really black unless they agree with her and her ideas of blackness.
            It's about as "Uncle Tom" as you can get. Even "queers" have to speak "queer", or they're not authentic, or wanted. It was such a steaming pile of horsie poo, it's amazing anybody can even PRETEND to defend it.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
              Oh I see, so you defended your right to an opinion, but only your right?
              Did I say that the squat couldn't voice their opinion? I hope they keep taking right up to the election. I hope they are the new face of the Democrat party.

              Of course Jim you disagree with this:

              32% of Democrats Say Any White Criticism of Politicians of Color Is Racist

              https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ols-cant-crit/
              Last edited by seer; 07-18-2019, 09:59 AM.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                Did I say that the squat couldn't voice their opinion? I hope they keep taking right up to the election. I hope they are the new face of the Democrat party.
                And Trump is doing everything in his power to make that happen, even to the point of forcing Pelosi and weak-minded liberals to defend them.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  And Trump is doing everything in his power to make that happen, even to the point of forcing Pelosi and weak-minded liberals to defend them.
                  Right, I don't want these women talking less, I want them talking more...
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Leftism, socialism in general.
                    So, no. Our nation is a mixture of political philosophies and types. We are largely capitalistic, but use socialistic models for some aspects of our country (highway system, medicare, etc.). As Americans, we tend to take "what works." You may not like some of it, but advocating for policies that work is not "unamerican." It does mean that some of us disagree with you.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    American is an evil racist country,
                    America, as a country, has engaged in evil racist practices. Do you deny this? Some Americans remain racist. America has included McCarthyism, slavery, Japanese internment camps, and a long list of other things none of us should be proud of. The cost of freedom is constant vigilance. We can return to any of these practices with very little excuse - as we did then. Calling out tendencies in our society to return to such things is not "unamerican."

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    antisemitism (Jews controlling the congress).
                    So I'm not sure what you are saying here. If it's "anti-semitism is unamerican," I agree. All forms of racism/ethnicism/sexism are not in the best spirit of what America should be about. If you're saying that it's unamerican that Jews control congress, then I am stunned. I am hoping that is NOT what you meant.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    They would not condemn the firebombing of ICE.
                    So you're arguing from silence? I have no idea what was going through the young lady's mind when she elected to ignore the news person dogging her up the hallway. It could have been, "I love Antifa, hate ICE, and love that they firebombed it" or it could have been "I'm late for that meeting and this relentless news person is just going to make me later." Personally, I think she should have spoken because she left herself vulnerable to this type of attack. But I have no idea WHY she did not respond - and neither do you.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Tell me Carp what qualifies as anti-american rhetoric to you?
                    IMO, accusing someone of being "unamerican" because they have the audacity to disagree is a quintessentially unamerican act. A leader, or potential leaders, of the executive branch, which includes the Department of Justice" advocating for screaming "lock her up" before due process has been engaged is a quintessentially unamerican act. Lying about what people have said/done and then using it as an excuse to foster hatred is a quintessentially unamerican act. Advocating for violence on others because they utter words you disagree with is a quintessentially unamerican act. Saying "I think America is wrong and could do better" is a quintessentially American act.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Bull crap, they shouldn't be here in the first place, and these are not hallmarks concentration camps. Our border is being overwhelmed. That is not our fault.
                    A flood of people seeking refuge is a situation to be dealt with. You will have to go a long way to convince me that a country that can put people on the moon; field a defense force in a matter of hours; build the North American Highway system; and provide over 24K temporary shelters, $1.5B in financial support, and process 87,000 flood claims within 30 days of a major hurricane (Houston) cannot provide soap, toothbrushes, food, and decent shelter for an ongoing/known situation MONTHS after it began.

                    The problem is not our ability - it is our will. The result is a situation that is (according to actual ISIS detainees) worse than how they were treated at the hands of ISIS.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Many Carp? What is many? One percent?
                    Why does the percentage matter? The fact is, Trump has the support of neo-Nazis across the country, and they are delighted with his pronouncements and statements. If I were president, and found myself so loved by such a group, I would have to seriously ask me just what it is about my message that so appeals to these people. They are not people to court, or appease, IMO.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    How many radical, violent Antifa support the Dems?
                    More whataboutism?

                    Antifa is a reaction group - reacting to facism in the form of Neo-Nazism. I deplore their methods because I don't think violence is the proper response to verbal and physical violence. But there is not even a comparison here. If facism in the U.S., did not exist, Antifa would have no reason for existing. And I have to admit to beginning to share their fears. History has shown us that when facism and nazism get a foot in the door - very bad things happen. The right is picking up more and more of the language of the neo-nazi thugs, and is embracing more and more of their positions. I have some real concerns about where this country is heading.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    I will keep an eye out...
                    So you should...
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      She blatantly implied that blacks are not really black unless they agree with her and her ideas of blackness.
                      Ummm...she blatantly called on black and brown people to stand up for themselves - and to not be complacent. Obviously, she (or anyone) is going to have an opinion about what they should be standing up for. But I am not seeing what you are layering onto her words in her actual words...
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                        Just poking fun at seer for his funny typo.
                        I actually missed that completely. That WAS funny!
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • So I had a thought. I disagree with many of the sentiments expressed from the right when it has to do with social issues. I think we SHOULD be seeing to the needs of those least able to see for themselves, and government has a proper role in providing a last-ditch safety net when society fails to do so. I believe healthcare should be a universal right, and a single payer system is our best interests. I think this is what America should be about.

                          So do you think it would be a good idea for me to attack anyone who wants small government and fewer government programs as "unamerican" and suggest that, if they don't love the America I want to see happen, they should leave? After all - love it (the way I want it) or leave is the basic message, right?

                          Or perhaps the message should be, "let's have that debate about what we do and do not want in our America, and find the compromises that we can all live with?

                          Just a thought...
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            Ummm...she blatantly called on black and brown people to stand up for themselves - and to not be complacent.
                            No she didn't. She said she didn't want blacks and browns who didn't think like her idea of black or brownness.

                            Obviously, she (or anyone) is going to have an opinion about what they should be standing up for.
                            And she didn't want anyone who didn't agree.

                            But I am not seeing what you are layering onto her words in her actual words...
                            It's blatant race baiting. How can you not see it?
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              So I had a thought. I disagree with many of the sentiments expressed from the right when it has to do with social issues. I think we SHOULD be seeing to the needs of those least able to see for themselves, and government has a proper role in providing a last-ditch safety net when society fails to do so. I believe healthcare should be a universal right, and a single payer system is our best interests. I think this is what America should be about.

                              So do you think it would be a good idea for me to attack anyone who wants small government and fewer government programs as "unamerican" and suggest that, if they don't love the America I want to see happen, they should leave? After all - love it (the way I want it) or leave is the basic message, right?

                              Or perhaps the message should be, "let's have that debate about what we do and do not want in our America, and find the compromises that we can all live with?

                              Just a thought...
                              I will say that, in this very thread, you have very nearly accused "the right" of being a would-be murderous mob, so maybe your own rhetoric is more unamerican than you think (by what I see as your own standards).
                              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                So, no. Our nation is a mixture of political philosophies and types. We are largely capitalistic, but use socialistic models for some aspects of our country (highway system, medicare, etc.). As Americans, we tend to take "what works." You may not like some of it, but advocating for policies that work is not "unamerican." It does mean that some of us disagree with you.
                                One point at a time. Carp would you consider Communist ideology un-American?
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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