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  • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    ...Now, I do think there are a number of problems with the speech. First of all, elected officials should ideally not be the voice of just those ethnic/religious demographics they personally identify with. They should represent as best they can all of their constituents, regardless of (and perhaps, despite) personal identity. I get the feeling that she wouldn't be comfortable with someone making a similar speech with "white," and "Christian" in the list of identities/experiences. Second of all, who specifically does she have in mind in politics who isn't voicing the plight of those they identify with? I doubt anyone's doing that. This seems like a razzmatazz type speech that gets a lot of cheers but is mostly empty and meaningless.
    That!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      Oh stop, they probably have it better there than they did in their own country, and...

      Australia’s Brutal Treatment of Migrants

      http://theconversation.com/yes-the-u...plorable-98706

      Australia Immigration Detention

      Australia arguably has the most restrictive immigration control regime in the world, making widespread use of offshore detention facilities, imposing mandatory detention measures, and working closely with other countries in the region to boost their detention capacities. All of the country's detention facilities are operated by private contractors, including offshore facilities, which have been the subject of growing criticism because of the abuses suffered by detainees at some of these facilities.

      https://www.globaldetentionproject.o...ific/australia
      How can you be so inhumane, TASSMAN? You must hate immigrants!

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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Im not sure it's obvious. Mexico has it's own poverty, crime and drug problems.
        So does the USA.

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          How can you be so inhumane, TASSMAN? You must hate immigrants!
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          • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
            So which two-thirds of the country do you think might be complicit in the murder of the other third?
            That would be the democracy that the liberals say they want. Mob rule!

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              Oh stop, they probably have it better there than they did in their own country, and...

              Australia’s Brutal Treatment of Migrants

              http://theconversation.com/yes-the-u...plorable-98706

              Australia Immigration Detention

              Australia arguably has the most restrictive immigration control regime in the world, making widespread use of offshore detention facilities, imposing mandatory detention measures, and working closely with other countries in the region to boost their detention capacities. All of the country's detention facilities are operated by private contractors, including offshore facilities, which have been the subject of growing criticism because of the abuses suffered by detainees at some of these facilities.

              https://www.globaldetentionproject.o...ific/australia
              From a year and a day ago:
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              It's funny seeing Tass get so righteously indignant considering his own country's policies toward illegal immigrants including forcibly turning them around at sea (they're often in rickety water-logged boats that will lucky to be able to make the long return trip to places like Indonesia, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka overloaded with their human cargo) or sending asylum seekers to detention camps on remote Pacific islands

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              From NBC News (not exactly an outpost of conservatives):

              Source: Australia Houses Migrants in 'Degrading' Offshore Detention Camps


              President Donald Trump’s reported rift with Australia's leader over a deal to resettle refugees has shone a spotlight on the country's controversial program which sees thousands of migrants kept offshore on detention islands.

              But these places in the Pacific Ocean are not tropical paradises: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, along with the U.N. refugee agency UNHCR say conditions on the islands are deplorable.

              In an effort to clamp down on illegal smugglers and to decrease the number of migrant deaths at sea, the government of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull won't accept any asylum seekers, migrants or refugees who arrive by boat.

              Instead, it intercepts such vessels and sends them to remote Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, as well as the world’s smallest independent republic, the impoverished island nation of Nauru.

              Australia pays Nauru and Papua New Guinea to house the migrants there and then works with UNHCR to find countries that will resettle them.

              Rights groups say the camps are "prison-like": hot, overcrowded, unhygienic and dangerous. Human Rights Watch reported that refugees and asylum seekers on both islands faced physical abuse, including sexual assault and rape.

              One of the U.N.’s top ranking officials on migrant human rights, Francois Crepeau, said that the conditions on Nauru, were “cruel, inhuman and degrading.”

              Almost 2,000 asylum seekers and refugees have ended up in limbo at the two island detention centers, languishing there for years as they wait for the lengthy UNHCR vetting process to complete.

              Rights groups also report that conditions are so bad that many asylum seekers and refugees have developed mental health problems as a result of their lengthy captivity there — suicide attempts are frequent as well as cases of self-harm. There have also been multiple instances of refugees setting themselves on fire as a form of protest over Australia’s policies, according to the Associated Press.

              Many of the refugees being held come from Iraq and Iran — two of the Muslim-majority nations among the seven countries whose citizens are currently barred from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days under the executive order signed by Trump last week.

              And they are expensive for Australia to maintain, it costs Australia $400,000 per refugee, per year to house them on the islands, according to a September 2016 report by UNICEF.

              In October 2016, Turnbull announced an ever stricter policy aimed at smugglers that bans any refugee who has tried to reach Australia by boat since 2013 from ever coming to Australia.

              “They must know that the door to Australia is closed to those who seek to come here by boat with a people smuggler, it is closed,” Turnbull told a press conference on Oct. 30, 2016. "Those passengers will never settle in this country."



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              It should be noted that it was the Keating Government (run by the Australian Labor Party: a democratic socialist party) which created a policy of mandatory detention of unauthorized arrivals.

              One of the key architects of this system, Paris Aristotle, has changed his mind, describing Australia’s offshore detention camps as "terrible." In an article in The Guardian describing his change of heart it mentions how

              Nauru and Manus Island were both reopened in 2012 and have been plagued by allegations of violence, including murder; sexual predation of men, women and, in particular, children; medical neglect leading to death; high rates of suicide and self-harm; and other human rights abuses.


              The saying about people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones comes to mind
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              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Look! Squirrel!
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                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post

                  How many radical, violent Antifa support the Dems?
                  All of them.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    It's about as "Uncle Tom" as you can get. Even "queers" have to speak "queer", or they're not authentic, or wanted. It was such a steaming pile of horsie poo, it's amazing anybody can even PRETEND to defend it.
                    I have a gay friend who is staunchly republican and loves Trump. I guess he isn't really gay according to her.

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                    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      ...

                      So 32 million registered Republicans, and Trump is the best you folks can do...

                      The GOP has indeed fallen far...
                      And the Democrats fielded a candidate so bad that she couldn't win against him - despite being the front runner.

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                      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        Inherently? No. I don't have your knee-jerk reaction to political buzz words. The heart of Americanism is looking at alternatives, discussing them, and taking the best of them and leaving the rest. I doubt we will ever adopt "communism" as a nationwide model. It's not in our DNA. But if the American people were to decide that is how they want America to function, nothing could be more American than them having the right to select that as the type of government they/we want.

                        Realistically, I doubt communism will ever be more than a niche model adopt by some people in small communities, as it has been in the U.S., from pretty much the outset. And elements of communism CAN help to offset the worst tendencies of capitalism.
                        Communism is the complete antithesis of our system of government carp. It couldn't be more unamerican.

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Why? If that is what the majority wants?
                          So what if the majority of the people decide they don't want a government by the people, of the people, and for the people?

                          Odd question. That would essentially end the American experiment. I'd move.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Which explains why it is the left that actually lists chants for any and every occasion. For instance:

                            Source: Chants for Changing the World


                            a resource for left-wing activists


                            how to use this site

                            We are working to make chants easily and readily accessible for protests, strikes, and other demonstrations. We want to make it easier for activists from around the country (and around the world) to share chants, songs, and more as a resource.

                            That said, since we are operating out of the US, the chants here are primarily going to be in English and Spanish, the two most commonly spoken languages in this country. We hope that as this resource grows, we can expand to include more languages.

                            Using this site is (hopefully) very easy. Every chant is tagged by subject. So, for example, if you’re at a protest against police brutality, check out the “police brutality” tag, and maybe “racism.”

                            We know that activists think up incredible chants on the fly, so when you get a chance, submit your chants here so other activists can use them as well.



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                            And I'm sure it is just some odd coincidence that the first category is anti-Jewish/Israeli chants and has nothing to do with the fact that the left has now been welcoming anti-semites into their midsts, embracing them with open arms and defending what they say no matter how vile.

                            Oh, and they're hardly the only site. There is also the Abundant Activism Chant Sheet and even chant generators as well.
                            So someone puts up a chant-related blog, and suddenly "the left" is promoting chants...?
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              So what if the majority of the people decide they don't want a government by the people, of the people, and for the people?

                              Odd question. That would essentially end the American experiment. I'd move.
                              No you said: But the only unamerican thing I can think of is denying others the right to have and voice their opinion on how we should be structured and how we should function.

                              So if the majority wanted to deny the minority the right to voice their opinion, denying free speech to the minority - that would not be un-american?
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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                I have a gay friend who is staunchly republican and loves Trump. I guess he isn't really gay according to her.
                                This is the side that repeatedly claims that if you don't think a certain way (as a monolithic block with no difference in opinion), then you can not be an "authentic" [insert minority here].

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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