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    Regarding AOC's claim that the people have to drink out of toilets:

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    The agent on scene said the congresswoman misrepresented why a person in custody had drunk from a toilet.

    “So this is what happened with the migrant and drinking water from toilet: she wanted water, didn’t know how to use the faucet in the cell, and drank from the toilet. She never told AOC that we made her drink from the toilet. AOC, of course, changed it … This was when she [the migrant] was apprehended and brought into the facility,” according to the agent.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...tour-witnesses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/imm...y-aoc-hispanic

    Hispanic pastors tour border facility lambasted by AOC and say they are ‘shocked by misinformation’


    Rev. Samuel Rodriguez was "full of indignation" when he saw the reports and heard from politicians about the deplorable and inhumane conditions for illegal immigrants at an El Paso County, Texas migrant detention center. But what he saw at the same facility toured by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. with a group of pastors was "drastically different."

    The president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, the world's largest Hispanic Christian organization, and senior pastor of New Seasons Christian Worship Center in Sacramento shared his firsthand experience touring a migrant detention center during a press briefing Monday.

    “I read the reports, saw the news clips. I just wanted to see what was actually happening in order to better enable our efforts to find a fair and a just solution to our broken immigration system," Rodriguez, who has advised President Trump and both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush on immigration reform, noted. “To my surprise, I saw something drastically different from the stories I’ve been hearing in our national discourse. Even as a veteran of immigration advocacy in the U.S., I was shocked at the misinformation of the crisis at the border."

    “We found no soiled diapers, no deplorable conditions and no lack of basic necessities,” Rodriguez remarked, adding he specifically asked border agents if they staged the facility in response to the negative press. “They unequivocally denied it — we were witnessing the identical conditions the attorneys saw when they toured the facility days earlier."

    In fact, some told him the sources from whom the negative coverage originated “never toured the areas of the facility that we toured” and speculated they might have had political motivations.

    The pastors left encouraged by the commitment and dedication of America’s Border Patrol and immigration officers, “many of which are Latinos, by the way.” He said one emotional Border Patrol agent turned to him and said, referring to the vilification: “Pastor Sam, what they’re saying about us is completely false. We care about these kids and have a passion for our calling.”

    Pastor Carlos Moran, NHCLC board member and immigrant, said, “we, as evangelical leaders that serve in different segments, are very committed to helping children regardless of their status and we commend those officers that are trying their very best to serve and fulfill their duty at the border. However, we do call on our political leaders to set aside their personal agendas and begin focusing on resolving this immigration crisis.”
    Well - now we know that someone is lying. I'm sure, as usual, everyone will rush to point the finger at the "other side" and defend "their side."

    I think I'll stick with "someone is lying." It's all the available information makes it possible for me to say with any degree of certainty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Well - now we know that someone is lying. I'm sure, as usual, everyone will rush to point the finger at the "other side" and defend "their side."

    I think I'll stick with "someone is lying." It's all the available information makes it possible for me to say with any degree of certainty.
    I don't think a Hispanic pastor has any motivation to lie about the condition these people are going through in these camps, unlike AOC who has a history of being a drama queen nutjob and has exaggerated and outright lied before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I don't think a Hispanic pastor has any motivation to lie about the condition these people are going through in these camps, unlike AOC who has a history of being a drama queen nutjob and has exaggerated and outright lied before.
    As predicted...

    This also is likely to be a pointless "echo chamber" discussion. I'll leave the last word to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    As predicted...

    This also is likely to be a pointless "echo chamber" discussion. I'll leave the last word to you.
    When has that ever happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    When has that ever happened?
    When he has no leg to stand on and therefore opines that both sides of the story are more or less equally valid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    When he has no leg to stand on and therefore opines that both sides of the story are more or less equally valid?
    I mean when has he actually let anyone have the last word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I mean when has he actually let anyone have the last word?
    In this scenario it's fairly likely - when further discussion is only going to expose the weaknesses of one's position, why continue?
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    The pastors were Evangelicals! That outweighs the fact that they're Hispanic! LIARS ALL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I mean when has he actually let anyone have the last word?
    Didnt someone complain I was poisoning the well in another post in another thread?

    Now these last few posts between OBP and sparko - now THAT is poisoning the well.

    Is there anyone here that actually wants a real discussion about anything?

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