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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    I did not say I hated it, only those who are trying to destroy it.
    And, of course, they hate you for destroying the America they want.

    Productive approach...
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      And, of course, they hate you for destroying the America they want.

      Productive approach...
      You can't destroy what doesn't yet exist
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        Did you ever wonder why democracies did not spring up organically from Communist countries even after decades?
        No. would think that would be pretty obvious.

        Originally posted by seer View Post
        Because no matter what is on paper, the system is antithetical to human nature, human freedom and democracy. And un-american.
        You'd have a hard time substantiating the former. You clearly have not substantiated the latter.
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Yeah, THAT'LL show 'em!
          Ironically very un-American of him. He sounded more sympathetic to a Communist regime than a democratically elected second term of a guy who, while acting like a spoiled child most of the time, hasn't gotten us into any new wars, hasn't been impeached, and is still hedged by the Constitution's checks and balances. Ya gotta wonder how much someone truly cares about their nation if their willing to split when the politics of the day are ruffling their feathers. The people are the nation, and he's essentially saying that if Trump is reelected, he will no longer identify with the American people and their principles, and is looking for people he can identify with. If there's a proper definition of "unAmerican" it's gotta be that.

          There's plenty of good reason to move to another country. This isn't really one of them. I think assuming Trump wins, it's likely that long term it'll go very badly for Conservatives. I believe people will look back on this presidency as one they'll not want to repeat, and we'll see a dramatic swing to the left the prevents it from ever coming to fruition. That's one of the (many) reasons I'm anti-Trump. The right might get what they want short term, but I think it's going to cost them massively down the road.

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          • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Yeah, but I'm the one who's actually right!
            Well, except for that little problem of being actually wrong...


            (this is starting to feel like the exchange with Chrawnus!)
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              The Dems have nothing that is likely to excite their base and Trump is coming in with several huge advantages. WAY too early to call a race - but it's a week before and your horse is limping...
              Yeah... we'll see. There is no doubt that a Trump win in possible. But the "advantages" you cite have a significant offsetting disadvantage that was, in 2016, a primary part of Clinton's downfall.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • Originally posted by Raphael View Post
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                Oh my. Anyone who can post a comic that associates "truth" with "MAGA" and "Trump" is just not paying attention. Our liar-in-chief is about as divorced from "truth" as it gets...
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Yeah, THAT'LL show 'em!
                  What makes you think the decision has anything to do with "showing them?"
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    I'll believe it when I see it.
                    If it happens, I'll post the listing

                    It's a beautiful place. I built it myself!
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      And, of course, they hate you for destroying the America they want.

                      Productive approach...
                      Venezuela ought to be a utopia for such folks. Their policies in action.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        You'd have a hard time substantiating the former. You clearly have not substantiated the latter.
                        Substantiate how? With actual empirical, historical evidence from Communist countries?

                        No. would think that would be pretty obvious.
                        What is obvious is that the ideology can not sustain itself without a great deal of force.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                          The people are the nation, and he's essentially saying that if Trump is reelected, he will no longer identify with the American people and their principles, and is looking for people he can identify with. If there's a proper definition of "unAmerican" it's gotta be that.
                          Ouch...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            You can't destroy what doesn't yet exist
                            Oh, but it does. BTC.
                            • Many of us like a nation where access to voting is not restricted - the right wants to restrict it (in multiple ways)
                            • Many of us like a nation progressing on a path of equality for all - the right wants to reverse that trend and return to policies that denigrate/demean those they don't approve of.
                            • Many of like a nation that values women and their freedom - the right wants to reverse that and subjugate women (again) to the state
                            • Many of us like a nation that cares for its poor and those less advantaged - the right wants to continue the process of destroying those programs and preventing any others
                            • Many of us like a nation that works with its allies and opposes its foes - Trumpians are undermining allies across the globe and praising strongman dictators



                            The list goes on. The nation some of us want has been developing for decades...but the right doesn't like it. Only THEIR vision of America is "valid" and everyone who doesn't like "their vision" is "unamerican" and "should leave." Anyone who doesn't share their vision of America is an "America hater."

                            We've seen this cycle before. It doesn't last. The only question for me is, will it last past my own life.
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                              Ironically very un-American of him. He sounded more sympathetic to a Communist regime than a democratically elected second term of a guy who, while acting like a spoiled child most of the time, hasn't gotten us into any new wars, hasn't been impeached, and is still hedged by the Constitution's checks and balances. Ya gotta wonder how much someone truly cares about their nation if their willing to split when the politics of the day are ruffling their feathers. The people are the nation, and he's essentially saying that if Trump is reelected, he will no longer identify with the American people and their principles, and is looking for people he can identify with. If there's a proper definition of "unAmerican" it's gotta be that.

                              There's plenty of good reason to move to another country. This isn't really one of them. I think assuming Trump wins, it's likely that long term it'll go very badly for Conservatives. I believe people will look back on this presidency as one they'll not want to repeat, and we'll see a dramatic swing to the left the prevents it from ever coming to fruition. That's one of the (many) reasons I'm anti-Trump. The right might get what they want short term, but I think it's going to cost them massively down the road.
                              OK - I'm curious. What communist regime am I sympathetic to?
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                If it happens, I'll post the listing

                                It's a beautiful place. I built it myself!
                                Hard to believe we even have to worry ourselves about it.

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