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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWhat makes you think the decision has anything to do with "showing them?"
But, hey, you can be just as verbose and obtuse on Tweb from some other country as you can from here, so...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSubstantiate how? With actual empirical, historical evidence from Communist countries?
Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is obvious is that the ideology can not sustain itself without a great deal of force.
Personally, I don't want a nation that operates 100% of the communistic model. I am more than happy with communism in isolated, self-selected contexts. I am actually fine with socialistic approaches to some social problems (e.g., healthcare, highway systems, defense/protection, etc.). I prefer either of them to be in the context of a democracy or representative democracy.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd Russia ought to be a utopia for you Trumpsters. The autocrats policies in action.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIronically very un-American of him. He sounded more sympathetic to a Communist regime than a democratically elected second term of a guy who, while acting like a spoiled child most of the time, hasn't gotten us into any new wars, hasn't been impeached, and is still hedged by the Constitution's checks and balances. Ya gotta wonder how much someone truly cares about their nation if their willing to split when the politics of the day are ruffling their feathers. The people are the nation, and he's essentially saying that if Trump is reelected, he will no longer identify with the American people and their principles, and is looking for people he can identify with. If there's a proper definition of "unAmerican" it's gotta be that.
There's plenty of good reason to move to another country. This isn't really one of them. I think assuming Trump wins, it's likely that long term it'll go very badly for Conservatives. I believe people will look back on this presidency as one they'll not want to repeat, and we'll see a dramatic swing to the left the prevents it from ever coming to fruition. That's one of the (many) reasons I'm anti-Trump. The right might get what they want short term, but I think it's going to cost them massively down the road.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHard to believe we even have to worry ourselves about it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's just nutty that you would let the peaceful transfer of power drive you from this country. I was apprehensive when Obama was elected, but locally - pretty much nothing changed. The stun still rose, the birds still sang, my barber still told me bad jokes, my neighbors still came over for BBQ..... Live goes on.
But, hey, you can be just as verbose and obtuse on Tweb from some other country as you can from here, so...
If only we could hold all of them to their word the national average IQ would rise at least 3 points.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostOuch...
Adrift has pretty much captured my sentiment accurately, except for the "unamerican" part. If Trump is re-elected, it will signal to me that the gap between my own principles and values and those of the majority of my fellow Americans is simply too wide to be tolerated. The unamerican thing would be to deny that they have the right to those views and to whomever they want to elect - or to decide "this country should run my way - not their way." Looking around myself and saying, "this is no longer a country that brings me pride and no longer a country that reflects my values/principles" and look for a place that does is not "unamerican." It's a free, personal choice that is very much what gave rise to "American independence" to being with.
I find it a better approach than labeling those who disagree with me "unamerican" and "America Haters" and noting that it is "easy to hate a hater." The sad thing is, it IS easy to hate a hater. I suspect that is why great men like Jesus of Nazareth, Nelson Mandela, MLK, and Gandhi suggested that the harder course was the better course: to resist responding to hatred with hatred and instead responding with kindness and love.
As I write that, I recognize that I have a real problem extending that concept to Trump. The man so personifies the things I find repugnant, I cannot seem to get over that "love your enemy" bar with him. I don't know if I will ever have that kind of strength...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe list goes on. The nation some of us want has been developing for decades...but the right doesn't like it. Only THEIR vision of America is "valid" and everyone who doesn't like "their vision" is "unamerican" and "should leave." Anyone who doesn't share their vision of America is an "America hater."
Pelosi, in veiled swipe at Omar, says anti-Semitism is 'un-American'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pel...is-un-american
Nancy Pelosi's op-ed in USA Today, in which she calls the folks who have drowned out town halls "un-American," has drawn just the reaction you'd expect from the top House Republican.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-co...ensible-020545
Madeleine Albright: Trump’s behavior around Putin was un-American, outrageous
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1393437137467169
CNN: Trump’s Shouting at Reporters Is ‘Disturbingly Un-American’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnn-tr...ly-un-american
Obama’s Powerful Message: Donald Trump Is Un-American
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-...is-un-american
Alyssa Milano Blasts Trump Supporters as ‘More Unamerican’ Than DREAMers
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ican-dreamers/Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood for thee but not for me...
Par for the course.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's just nutty that you would let the peaceful transfer of power drive you from this country.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was apprehensive when Obama was elected, but locally - pretty much nothing changed. The stun still rose, the birds still sang, my barber still told me bad jokes, my neighbors still came over for BBQ..... Live goes on.
My decision is not rooted in who Trump is per se - it is rooted in what it says about the people of our country if we can, with open eyes, give that same man that same office a second time.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut, hey, you can be just as verbose and obtuse on Tweb from some other country as you can from here, so...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOuch?
Adrift has pretty much captured my sentiment accurately, except for the "unamerican" part. If Trump is re-elected, it will signal to me that the gap between my own principles and values and those of the majority of my fellow Americans is simply too wide to be tolerated....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood for thee but not for me...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOuch?
Adrift has pretty much captured my sentiment accurately, except for the "unamerican" part. If Trump is re-elected, it will signal to me that the gap between my own principles and values and those of the majority of my fellow Americans is simply too wide to be tolerated.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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