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[Leonhard]

You realize if Trump had built the wall, it would have stopped a lot of the illegals from ever getting to those camps where people are complaining how badly they are being treated, right?

Trump's wall was fourty..twenty..ten feet high, made of steel reinforced concrete...concrete...steel plates...fence. Costing less than a billion dollars...three billion dollars...fourty billion dollars. It would go from coast to coast annexing parts of Mexico as needed... coast to coast and the government would use imminent doma- ... cover certain sections and secede ground to Mexico ... would tactically extend already existing regions reasonably.

That's the diminishing vision of the wall I've been hearing ever since you US Conservatives started ranting about the wall as if it was actually going to be built.

You'd have to describe for me what kind of wall you're talking about when you're talking about Trump's wall. His original plan? Or just already agreed upon extensions of the border fencing that Obama had already approved?

I don't think you'll ever see that fourty feet high, barb wire fenced wall Sparko. Its not a political, or practical reality for the US. Your border is winding. You'd either have to annex parts of Mexico, or secede soil, or build it winding around. And you'd still have strange areas where the border goes along a river in the middle, and you'd still have thousands of miles to monitor. And it would not cost a billion dollars, but dozens or hundreds of billions dollars to build.

That super wall is a dream. You know that Sparko. I have to believe you actually know that. It was a pipedream for election day. No one wants it to be build. Not the democrats, and certainly not the Republicans.

So the only wall we can talk about are reasonable extensions of the already existing border fencing. Not coast to coast, but just in various strategic hot spots.

Would that stop illegal immigration? Honestly I don't think it would. They'd just be forced to cross the border in remote areas, crossing deserts or mountains.

[Sparko]

Trump's wall was fourty..twenty..ten feet high, made of steel reinforced concrete...concrete...steel plates...fence. Costing less than a billion dollars...three billion dollars...fourty billion dollars. It would go from coast to coast annexing parts of Mexico as needed... coast to coast and the government would use imminent doma- ... cover certain sections and secede ground to Mexico ... would tactically extend already existing regions reasonably.

That's the diminishing vision of the wall I've been hearing ever since you US Conservatives started ranting about the wall as if it was actually going to be built.

You'd have to describe for me what kind of wall you're talking about when you're talking about Trump's wall. His original plan? Or just already agreed upon extensions of the border fencing that Obama had already approved?

I don't think you'll ever see that fourty feet high, barb wire fenced wall Sparko. Its not a political, or practical reality for the US. Your border is winding. You'd either have to annex parts of Mexico, or secede soil, or build it winding around. And you'd still have strange areas where the border goes along a river in the middle, and you'd still have thousands of miles to monitor. And it would not cost a billion dollars, but dozens or hundreds of billions dollars to build.

That super wall is a dream. You know that Sparko. I have to believe you actually know that. It was a pipedream for election day. No one wants it to be build. Not the democrats, and certainly not the Republicans.

So the only wall we can talk about are reasonable extensions of the already existing border fencing. Not coast to coast, but just in various strategic hot spots.

Would that stop illegal immigration? Honestly I don't think it would. They'd just be forced to cross the border in remote areas, crossing deserts or mountains.

The point would be to REDUCE the illegals not stop them. Nothing will stop them. But right now we have caravans of 10's of thousands coming every few months because they can. They know they will get across the border and we have to take them in and put them in the holding camps and release them after a few days into the country with a "promise" they will show up for court.

If I had my way this would be the wall I would build.

[seer]

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Would that stop illegal immigration? Honestly I don't think it would. They'd just be forced to cross the border in remote areas, crossing deserts or mountains.

Obama's ex border patrol chief says it will help. The border patrol will have much less ground to to cover and patrol.

[seer]

If I had my way this would be the wall I would build.

Is that real?

[Leonhard]

The point would be to REDUCE the illegals not stop them.

The majority of the illegal immigration you're facing is from people overstaying their VISA. No wall can prevent that.

Fantasy walls are the best walls.

[Leonhard]

Is that real?

Yes it is seer. That's what Trump just built along the southern border. You're safe now.

[Sparko]

Is that real?

its from the tv series "Colony"

[Sparko]

The majority of the illegal immigration you're facing is from people overstaying their VISA. No wall can prevent that.



Fantasy walls are the best walls.

And those people are not ending up in overcrowded immigration camps so your point is moot.

And I bet it isn't a majority either. Especially now.

[Leonhard]

And those people are not ending up in overcrowded immigration camps so your point is moot.

And I bet it isn't a majority either. Especially now.

As long as US Conservatives don't get that illegal immigrat mass deportation they're hoping for. Ironically that pastor you linked to is against illegal immigrants who've lived in the US for a long time being deported.

[Raphael]

Its your government, its your border, its your guards. You're not personally responsible seer, it would be madness to blame it on you, but it wouldn't be unfair to say that the US is responsible for this. As for it happening under Obama, that doesn't make it better. In fact its somewhat lowered my view of his presidency.

I disagree very strongly with the bolded bit. The fact that the largely socialist countries South of the US border are crap enough that waves of illegal immigrants are trying to come in is not the fault of the USA or it's people. (I read somewhere that there is another 35000 strong wave headed there). The USG's responsibility should be it's citizens first.

Likewise it's not Australia's fault that boat people try come over to Australia illegally. And when Australia took a zero tolerance stance and turned back the boats, off shore detentionetc. the number of illegal immigrants trying it decreased ad as a direct result the number of deaths (from the over capacity piece of junk boats sinking) decreased to zero.

[Teallaura]

You have the means to house them. Considering how much money is drained into that system it has to be either run very inefficiently, or very corruptly for all that money to be wasted. I don't think the US can get away without criticism or a "Am I my brothers keeper" excuse.

Er, Leo, they aren't in the bigger cities like El Paso - Europeans don't often realize just how big Texas is. McAllen is near the Gulf - much closer to Galveston than El Paso and while it's decent sized at 142,000, it's not a big city. It's also far from the areas where most illegal crossings normally take place - little wonder a station not built for that influx is overwhelmed.

These folks aren't here legally - that limits the types of shelter that can be used until a hearing. And no monies have been appropriated for that expansion because the House is playing chicken with the Executive. So, no, we don't have those provisions in place nor have the funds to build them been appropriated.

The increase is enormous - 144,000 in May alone, twice the number of the previous May - that's about 2.5 percent of Denmark's entire population cramming into our border towns in just one month!

The US southern border is 3,145 km - a bit bigger than Denmark's 183 km - and most of that isn't populated. There aren't supplies on the ground in the middle of nowhere nor are there easy ways to quickly build new facilities. Of course it's an expensive border to patrol - it's freaking huge and largely empty.

[NorrinRadd]

Its your government, its your border, its your guards. You're not personally responsible seer, it would be madness to blame it on you, but it wouldn't be unfair to say that the US is responsible for this. As for it happening under Obama, that doesn't make it better. In fact its somewhat lowered my view of his presidency.

Well, at least SOME good has come from the situation.

[NorrinRadd]

I have a feeling he didn't see the whole truth. Because the official reports paint a very bad picture. I certainly don't believe Fox News claims that its basically a summer vacation camp. There are a lot of minors there, some of them younger than seven being kept there for days.

As for FoxNews I don't know why you guys trust them so much.

Because Fox News has NOT been claiming the situation is ideal, they have been reporting that the situation is bad. They have shown similar pictures. Brian Kilmeade has been to the border several times and reported that the agents are begging for help.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm honestly skeptical of that claim, and if they've changed their mind recently about it I'm skeptical of their reasoning. As for the bill, if money went to the wall I don't blame Pelosi for blocking it.

So you're just a dishonest ass too. You care more about NOT building a wall than about helpin' da po' chillin's.

[Teallaura]

Was some of the money for that going to that wall vanity project?

Walls are nothing new - and this isn't a vanity project. The existing walls/fencing has an unintended consequence - people attempting to cross in more remote areas - all of which are dangerous and most desert. We cannot take in the entire population of Central America - not and keep the economy that allows us to fund humanitarian projects worldwide. And we DON'T want dead people in our deserts. We either hire a heck of a lot more agents and grant much greater power or we build a wall to deter as many as possible. The Border Patrol doesn't want to be a militia 0 they want a wall so they can do their jobs effectively.