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    On The Passing of Norman Geisler

    Rest in peace.

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    What do we see when the time comes? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    For those who donít know, Norman Geisler passed away today. I heard the news probably within the last hour. It is official as it is on his own Facebook page and has been confirmed numerous times.

    Many of you know that Dr. Geisler and I werenít on the best of terms. Being the son-in-law of Michael Licona, I didnít really care for when he went after my family and made charges against my father-in-law. That being said, some of you could be surprised to see me writing something about him.

    Itís easy to write about those who love us and those who appreciate us. Itís not the best way though. When my wife and I heard about him having bleeding in the brain late at night due to a tweet from Bill Roach, we prayed for him. We had already prayed for the night, but we did so again for him. I saw last night about him being in a coma and checked this morning thinking it would happen any day now. I wasnít really surprised when I saw it today.

    Many of you know my wife is exploring Eastern Orthodoxy and is going down that path. I am not going down that road, but I do think there is some wisdom there. I do know that when weíre in a service, at one point the priest says ďFor those who love us and those who hate us.Ē

    I am not saying Geisler hated us. I doubt that at all. But I am saying that those people sometimes who we seem to have something against or seem to have something against us or both are still made in the image of God. They make mistakes. We all do. Do I think Geisler treated my family right? Nope. Have I always treated everyone else right? Heck, no. Should I not show the grace that has been shown to me?

    I also do appreciate the contributions Geisler made to the field in his early days. Many people got their start in apologetics because Geisler carried the ball and passed it on to us. When I went to SES, it was because of Geisler and he did treat me well for the time being there, but then the event happened with Mike and things went sour.

    While things werenít the best, if anything has been being shown to me lately, itís that any anger towards someone else like that really doesnít do any good. I can be angry with my fellow man all day and heíll be just fine, provided I donít act out on him in my anger. Who will be hurt the most? It will be me. It will also be those closest to me who have to put up with my attitude.

    So as we come to this time, I choose to look back on the good. Honestly, when my time comes, there will be enough bad things I have done in my life that are shameful. I would hope people would not remember me for those. As the priest told us all in a service once, we should not refer to the apostle as Doubting Thomas because if we all took a snapshot of ourselves at the lowest point of our lives, weíd all look bad. This doubter most likely died a martyr for Jesus in India. Letís remember that.

    Geisler did much good for the kingdom and most apologists today owe some debt to him. While there were disagreements, there is coming a kingdom where all of us will embrace. Every argument we had down here will seem petty by comparison.

    Maybe we should start treating them that way right now.

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    RIP Norman Geisler.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    I feel the same. Dr. Geisler was a good influence on me as a new Christian. I still have some of his books. I was sad to hear about his feud with Licona and you and various others. And I was sad to here of his death. I had hoped you all would have had the chance to reconcile one day. I am sure everyone will one day in eternity. And I am sure that Geisler is safe in the arms of our Savior Jesus and reunited with his friends and family who have passed before him.

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    Someone just emailed me asking if I planned any public comment. I don't. I think Nick can carry that torch well enough (and has, as above), and in any event, Mike had told me that things had quieted down on their feud over the past two years, in part I think to due to Geisler's illness.

    No need to stir a pot that's not boiling.

    I just linked to Nick's post from the front of Tekton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpholding View Post
    Someone just emailed me asking if I planned any public comment. I don't. I think Nick can carry that torch well enough (and has, as above), and in any event, Mike had told me that things had quieted down on their feud over the past two years, in part I think to due to Geisler's illness.

    No need to stir a pot that's not boiling.

    I just linked to Nick's post from the front of Tekton.
    Thanks!

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