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There's also Robert Price, and while he has more character and such, he's still seen as an outsider.
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I realize that. I was trying to get as close as I could.
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There was also the late Dorthy Mardock ie Acharya S. But even then her credentials were exposed as fraudulent. I would add John Loftus to the list of mythers but idk if he qualifies. There is also Earl Doherty and Greg Kane. The list seems pretty thin. I think Habermas said he could count the scholars on one hand from the published work he read from the 1970's to the present.Last edited by ReformedApologist; 07-02-2019, 06:52 PM.Comment
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I have never listened to this podcast or accessed this feed. What strikes me about this particular post (and thanks for sharing it, APNick) is that I suspect it makes the same mistake that is commonly made by liberals and conservatives in the political sphere. I would agree that any ONE atheist holding these conflicting positions is not being consistent and is either not serious, not thinking through their positions, or just trolling. I have to wonder how many such individuals actually exist. I suspect (but it is only that - a suspicion), that the reality is that SOME atheists take one position (e.g., embracing the Jesus' wife theory) and others take the other position (e.g., rejecting the claim that the NT comprises accurate historical information). There is no inconsistency if these are not in the same person. But then these people are associated with the group "atheist" and the group is claimed to be "holding conflicting positions."Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
It's hard to put anything meaningful behind "Atheists think..." beyond "...that there is no god."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Ignoring Richard Carrier (who will always remind us of his PhD), there's Robert Price (IMO much closer to Bultmann than mythicism) and Thomas Brodie.Originally posted by Seeker View Post
Brodie is the only one I'd really consider "well-respected," as he did some good academic work before seemingly going off the deep end. Seriously, his mythicist theory is stranger than most.Comment
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I meet individuals like this everyday on Facebook. They are out there and they are the majority that I meet in the atheist community.Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostComment
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Interesting. I wonder if it is the medium? I doubt I have a more sophisticated circle of friends than the average, and I don't have a single atheist friend that thinks this way.Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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"Anecdotes are no evidence," someone once said to me.Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
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He has to look no further than Theologyweb. We have had plenty of such atheists here. I believe Tassman is one. Nothing would convince him. If God appeared in front of him and turned him into a newt and back he wouldn't believe.Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
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JimL is another one.Originally posted by Sparko View PostLast edited by ReformedApologist; 07-03-2019, 01:35 PM.Comment
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Frankly though there's a lot of incredulity amongst Christians.Comment
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Anecdotes are evidence, Sparko - simply usually not adequate to support the claims being made. Since my post was in the form of a question and all I was doing was commenting on the difference between my experience and APNick's, we don't have that issue. My earlier post was clear that I have suspicions, but cannot back them up with adequate evidence.Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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I think we can broaden that a bit. It seems to me there is a lot of incredulity AND inadequately supported credulity among people in general - especially these days.Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Oh sorry. I forgot. Your "rules" only apply in one direction and that direction is never toward you. oops.Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
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Looks lie the discussion is heading in the usual direction. I'll leave the last word to you.Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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This time it was an axidental mistakeOriginally posted by Cow Poke View PostStop it. I know what you're doing.
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