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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    What synonyms for incompetent and inept would you have preferred he have used? And would they be any less insulting?

    I am not sure that an honest assessment of incompetent or inept has a 'diplomatic' form that is accurate, but I'll be interested in knowing what you think that would be.

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    I suppose the real question is, what useful information did this "diplomat" think he was conveying to his bosses? What was the anticipated result other than to encourage them to treat the leader of an allied nation with hostility and contempt? They say that the definition of "diplomacy" is the art of letting the other guy have your way, and based on at least this memo, this "diplomat" sounds profoundly bad at his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I suppose the real question is, what useful information did this "diplomat" think he was conveying to his bosses? What was the anticipated result other than to encourage them to treat the leader of an allied nation with hostility and contempt? They say that the definition of "diplomacy" is the art of letting the other guy have your way, and based on at least this memo, this "diplomat" sounds profoundly bad at his job.
    If the leader of the free nation is inept or incompetent, then the UK needs to be careful what information it shares with him and his staff. You may be insulted by the idea Trump is inept or incompetent, and he may not be, but that doesn't change the fact that the UK needs to know if that is the case, and they pay that ambassador to make sure they know about it if that is the case. OTOH, if his reports contain unsubstantiated personal opinion rather that what the UK sees are accurate assessments, he won't be long for the job. They need accurate information so they can understand how to interact with the US and with Trump. If this Ambassador can't or won't provide that, there are plenty of people that will.


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    Plus the ambassadors from the US to other countries would be using similar frank language when reporting back to POTUS, and Trump himself would have read many similar reports from his ambassadors to other countries as they pass his desk. I doubt this assessment of the current US administration is unique to him or the UK, and I say this knowing full well that ambassadors reporting back to their countries about the current UK administration would be equally frank. Unfortunately you're not the only country currently embarrassing itself on the world stage

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    The discussion at the moment is more about the leak itself, rather than its contents, not that they aren't embarrassing, but it's generally accepted that ambassadors reports to their home countries are for their eyes only.

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    Thread title: CNN ratings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
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    I think it started with the caveat "... as reported by CNN" which tied it back to the op, but which led to the current discussion.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    What synonyms for incompetent and inept would you have preferred he have used? And would they be any less insulting?

    I am not sure that an honest assessment of incompetent or inept has a 'diplomatic' form that is accurate, but I'll be interested in knowing what you think that would be.

    Jim
    "We have some serious concerns as Bob does not seem fully up to speed with regards to policy."

    "There may be some issue with regards to Bob's understanding of policy."

    "We are concerned at Bob's lack of preparedness regarding the policy meeting."

    And so on - not rocket science to just not sound like a jerk.


    Being tactful is at the core of being a diplomat. Being unable, as opposed to unwilling, brings the Ambassador's qualifications into question. Being unwilling brings his fitness to serve into question.

    This kind of rookie mistake is not even slightly okay in any competent diplomatic corps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvoUK View Post
    The discussion at the moment is more about the leak itself, rather than its contents, not that they aren't embarrassing, but it's generally accepted that ambassadors reports to their home countries are for their eyes only.
    Sure, but he still comes off as a jerk and it makes the UK's diplomats look bad.

    Always use your sweet words - ya never know when you may have to eat them.

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    The irony of somebody who by and large supports Trump criticizing someone else for poor diplomacy is not lost on me.
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