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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
In 2016, there were several politically-oriented websites that sprang up with one "fake news" story after another. The sites were basically "click-bait" sites. My understanding is that, originally, the people launching these sites (some of them were Macedonian teenagers) had a roughly equal number of fake Trump stories and fake Clinton stories. Within a fairly short period of time, the fake Trump stories (on these sites) almost completely disappeared. When these people were identified and they were asked why they focused strongly on Clinton stories, their answer was simple: it got them more clicks and more ad dollars. Apparently there is a greater propensity to accept and share these stories by those on the right than there is by those on the left. This has been verified by numerous studies since. Supply and demand - these people went where the dollars were and churned out fake story after fake story about Clinton.
I theorize the same thing is happening in the cable news space. Fox has shown itself to be the mouthpiece of this presidency - and the right is eating it up. Fox ratings have never been higher. CNN has been (for a few years now) trying to copy the Fox business model and essentially making themselves the "fox of the left." But I think the left is less interested in that kind of reporting and is abandoning them for less vitriolic and obviously skewed reporting, putting CNN on life support: the right hates them, moderates are abandoning them, leaving them with only the most left-leaning audience. Of course, in the "age of Trump," polarization has become even more extreme, so their audience would not be likely to dry up completely. However, I predict it will tend further and further left and CNN will follow them. It would not surprise me to find them be the cable news equivalent of Breitbart (but skewed left) before too long.
It's just a theory, mind you, but one that fits the available facts. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, I am one of those who no longer watches CNN (or Fox). I'll read some of their news stories online, but I'm very careful with both due to the extreme spin each of them puts to the left (and right).Last edited by carpedm9587; 07-11-2019, 08:02 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't think it would help, and I have a theory as to why.
In 2016, there were several politically-oriented websites that sprang up with one "fake news" story after another. The sites were basically "click-bait" sites. My understanding is that, originally, the people launching these sites (some of them were Macedonian teenagers) had a roughly equal number of fake Trump stories and fake Clinton stories. Within a fairly short period of time, the fake Trump stories (on these sites) almost completely disappeared. When these people were identified and they were asked why they focused strongly on Clinton stories, their answer was simple: it got them more clicks and more ad dollars. Apparently there is a greater propensity to accept and share these stories by those on the right than there is by those on the left. This has been verified by numerous studies since. Supply and demand - these people went where the dollars were and churned out fake story after fake story about Clinton.
I theorize the same thing is happening in the cable news space. Fox has shown itself to be the mouthpiece of this presidency - and the right is eating it up. Fox ratings have never been higher. CNN has been (for a few years now) trying to copy the Fox business model and essentially making themselves the "fox of the left." But I think the left is less interested in that kind of reporting and is abandoning them for less vitriolic and obviously skewed reporting, putting CNN on life support: the right hates them, moderates are abandoning them, leaving them with only the most left-leaning audience. Of course, in the "age of Trump," polarization has become even more extreme, so their audience would not be likely to dry up completely. However, I predict it will tend further and further left and CNN will follow them. It would not surprise me to find them be the cable news equivalent of Breitbart (but skewed left) before too long.
It's just a theory, mind you, but one that fits the available facts. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, I am one of those who no longer watches CNN (or Fox). I'll read some of their news stories online, but I'm very careful with both due to the extreme spin each of them puts to the left (and right).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOften, the simplest explanation is the best. CNN sucks at actually reporting the news.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't think it would help, and I have a theory as to why.
In 2016, there were several politically-oriented websites that sprang up with one "fake news" story after another. The sites were basically "click-bait" sites. My understanding is that, originally, the people launching these sites (some of them were Macedonian teenagers) had a roughly equal number of fake Trump stories and fake Clinton stories. Within a fairly short period of time, the fake Trump stories (on these sites) almost completely disappeared. When these people were identified and they were asked why they focused strongly on Clinton stories, their answer was simple: it got them more clicks and more ad dollars. Apparently there is a greater propensity to accept and share these stories by those on the right than there is by those on the left. This has been verified by numerous studies since. Supply and demand - these people went where the dollars were and churned out fake story after fake story about Clinton.
I theorize the same thing is happening in the cable news space. Fox has shown itself to be the mouthpiece of this presidency - and the right is eating it up. Fox ratings have never been higher. CNN has been (for a few years now) trying to copy the Fox business model and essentially making themselves the "fox of the left." But I think the left is less interested in that kind of reporting and is abandoning them for less vitriolic and obviously skewed reporting, putting CNN on life support: the right hates them, moderates are abandoning them, leaving them with only the most left-leaning audience. Of course, in the "age of Trump," polarization has become even more extreme, so their audience would not be likely to dry up completely. However, I predict it will tend further and further left and CNN will follow them. It would not surprise me to find them be the cable news equivalent of Breitbart (but skewed left) before too long.
It's just a theory, mind you, but one that fits the available facts. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, I am one of those who no longer watches CNN (or Fox). I'll read some of their news stories online, but I'm very careful with both due to the extreme spin each of them puts to the left (and right).
It's like people don't like being lied to or something..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou left out the fact that this recent fall was precipitated by the release of the Mueller report - and that both CNN and MSNBC fell sharply immediately thereafter.
It's like people don't like being lied to or something...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostLied to?
But I'm sure for you that is nothing but a right wing meme for you to hand wave away since that is pretty much what you do.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou know, like being told that Trump undeniably colluded with the Russians and his impeachment for it was inevitable. Or "bombshell" after "bombshell" being released that had no basis in fact. And then in the end finding out that none of it was true. What everyone was being told was utterly false.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't think it would help, and I have a theory as to why.
In 2016, there were several politically-oriented websites that sprang up with one "fake news" story after another. The sites were basically "click-bait" sites. My understanding is that, originally, the people launching these sites (some of them were Macedonian teenagers) had a roughly equal number of fake Trump stories and fake Clinton stories. Within a fairly short period of time, the fake Trump stories (on these sites) almost completely disappeared. When these people were identified and they were asked why they focused strongly on Clinton stories, their answer was simple: it got them more clicks and more ad dollars. Apparently there is a greater propensity to accept and share these stories by those on the right than there is by those on the left. This has been verified by numerous studies since. Supply and demand - these people went where the dollars were and churned out fake story after fake story about Clinton.
I theorize the same thing is happening in the cable news space. Fox has shown itself to be the mouthpiece of this presidency - and the right is eating it up. Fox ratings have never been higher. CNN has been (for a few years now) trying to copy the Fox business model and essentially making themselves the "fox of the left." But I think the left is less interested in that kind of reporting and is abandoning them for less vitriolic and obviously skewed reporting, putting CNN on life support: the right hates them, moderates are abandoning them, leaving them with only the most left-leaning audience. Of course, in the "age of Trump," polarization has become even more extreme, so their audience would not be likely to dry up completely. However, I predict it will tend further and further left and CNN will follow them. It would not surprise me to find them be the cable news equivalent of Breitbart (but skewed left) before too long.
It's just a theory, mind you, but one that fits the available facts. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, I am one of those who no longer watches CNN (or Fox). I'll read some of their news stories online, but I'm very careful with both due to the extreme spin each of them puts to the left (and right).Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou know, like being told that Trump undeniably colluded with the Russians and his impeachment for it was inevitable. Or "bombshell" after "bombshell" being released that had no basis in fact. And then in the end finding out that none of it was true. What everyone was being told was utterly false.
But I'm sure for you that is nothing but a right wing meme for you to hand wave away since that is pretty much what you do.
Anyway I am looking forward to seeing you provide evidence for your claims above.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostJust a little reminder since it appears you have a rather one-sided reading of Muellers conclusions and forget the part about obstruction of justice:
Originally posted by Charles View PostAnyway I am looking forward to seeing you provide evidence for your claims above.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPoor Chuck. Incapable of understanding that it was not Mueller's (or any Special Counsel or prosecutor) job to render a verdict but to decide on whether or not there is enough evidence to seek and indictment. He determined that there wasn't any in spite of whatever petulant, partisan cheap shot he decided to cloak it in.
So you remain one-sided though I provided the quote. Your choice.
A short video by Glenn Greenwald of reporters, anchors and the like on news programs along with a few Democratic politicians declaring over and over the end of the Trump presidency over various "bombshells" in the Russia investigation. At 2½ minutes it is far more time than you deserve.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statu...346496?lang=en[/QUOTE]
Yep. There are many such statements and in the short video they are taken out of context so we don't know how they would stand against what we know now, what was known at the time and so on. It takes a lot more to establish that those statements were lies.
Anyway it seems a man who tends to lie a lot and whom you seemingly support actually shared the opinions of those you like to criticise:
When Jeff Sessions, then the attorney general, shared the news in the Oval Office, the president slumped in his chair. Oh my God, he said, according to the report. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency, he said, adding an expletive. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/u...ncy-trump.html
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostSo, was Trump lying?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's not Trump who is lying but the New York Times with another unfounded "sources say" story.
But, as with so many things, Trump has turned a "good thing" into a "bad thing" with his regular lying and rallying of his base. So now the norm is to mistrust/discount every news story if it doesn't come from one's "selected" information sources. Every mistake made, even when owned and steps taken to make amends, is pointed to as "yet another example of fake news."
I have to wonder how many people truly grasp the dangerous ground we walk these days as a nation.
And I will be SO happy when he is gone...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo you're saying that there is no way he could have written a petty and deliberately insulting memo without it sounding petty and deliberately insulting.
By the way, part of the reason he resigned is because the incoming PM refused to defend this "diplomat's" unprofessional conduct. Good for the new PM!
That stark reality is that the memo represents the assessment of the world, not a petty outburst by this ambassador.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 07-12-2019, 08:22 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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