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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe irony of somebody who by and large supports Trump criticizing someone else for poor diplomacy is not lost on me.
Still, the primary role of an ambassador to be diplomatic.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Still, the primary role of an ambassador to be diplomatic.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unctional.html
Reading that article it is clear he was not being diplomatic or "factual" he was ranting his opinion.
* Describes bitter conflicts within Trump's White House – verified by his own sources – as 'knife fights';
* Warns that Trump could have been indebted to 'dodgy Russians';
* Claims the President's economic policies could wreck the world trade system;
* Says the scandal-hit Presidency could 'crash and burn' and that 'we could be at the beginning of a downward spiral... that leads to disgrace and downfall'
In reference to Trump's ability to shrug off controversies in a life which has been 'mired in scandal', he says that the President may nonetheless 'emerge from the flames, battered but intact, like [Arnold] Schwarzenegger in the final scenes of The Terminator'.
Such language is not diplomatic, but opinionated and inflammatory.
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An official government memo making references to Terminator? That comes across as rather unprofessional. What if the reader has never seen that movie and has no idea what he's referring to?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHas anyone read the actual words he used?
Such language is not diplomatic, but opinionated and inflammatory.
It remains to be discovered who leaked, and why.
By saying he won't deal with Sir Kim Darroch any more, Donald Trump is apparently all but declaring the ambassador to be persona non grata. That is the formal legal process by which a host government expels a foreign diplomat.
The key question now is what the president means by the word "deal". If the royal "we" used by Mr Trump means that his entire administration will no longer deal with Sir Kim or any of his staff then the British government may have to decide to fast track the retirement of their man in Washington.
Sir Kim, who is an honourable man and was stepping down anyway in a few months, may decide to resign. If, however, Mr Trump merely means he won't deal personally with Sir Kim then the ambassador may stay on until the new prime minister can make his own appointment.
Last edited by firstfloor; 07-08-2019, 04:21 PM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
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The White House will no longer have any dealings with that so-called diplomat:
"“I do not know the Ambassador, but he is not liked or well thought of within the U.S. We will no longer deal with him," the President said.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...dministration/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post"Sir Kim, who is an honourable man..."
-BBC NewsSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe White House will no longer have any dealings with that so-called diplomat:
"“I do not know the Ambassador, but he is not liked or well thought of within the U.S. We will no longer deal with him," the President said.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...dministration/
This is why diplomats should be careful with their language. One stupid rant and he's effectively lost his job."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWhen he is reporting, in private, back to his own side, he is not being “diplomatic“, he is being frank, deliberately, so as to avoid any ambiguity and provide an unvarnished picture of what is going on. The very serious problem in this case is that his messages were leaked – very possibly by a politician rather than a civil servant. The ambassador is not at fault.
It remains to be discovered who leaked, and why.
- BBC News
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThis is why diplomats should be careful with their language. One stupid rant and he's effectively lost his job.
Who knew?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSo Trump exacts his vengence on a person who insulted him.
Who knew?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSo Trump exacts his vengence on a person who insulted him.
Who knew?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAn official government memo making references to Terminator? That comes across as rather unprofessional. What if the reader has never seen that movie and has no idea what he's referring to?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostDo you normally meet with a client and call them names? The ambassador himself, intentionally or not, has soured the working relationship. You wouldn't put up with that nonsense from a used car salesman, why should anyone tolerate it from an ambassador?
Someone knew its contents and knew it would be destructive to US, UK relations to reveal it.
So here is a question for you.
Why are you supporting Donald Trump as he joins with the leaker in allowing and encouraging further erosion of relations with one of our most important allies?
Here is another question for you:
What sorts of entities and governments stand to benefit from the erosion of US, UK relations?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddThis was a private communication between himself and his government. It was not meant for public consumption nor was it meant for Trump to hear.
Someone knew its contents and knew it would be destructive US, UK relationsto reveal it.
So here is a question fir you.
Why are you supporting Donald Trump as he joins with the leaker in allowing and encouraging further erosion of relations with one of our most important allies?
Here is another question for you:
What sorts of entities and governments stand to benefit from the erosion of US, UK relations?
Jim
Only fools ignore facts. There's a huge gulf between malicious sabotage and whistle blowing - but it makes no difference once the truth comes out.
So why are you supporting a demonstrably incompetent foreign ambassador? Why do you support the interests of the UK over the US? It cannot serve the US' interests to keep an ambassador who demonstrates bile toward the administration. Heck, it doesn't serve the UK's interests unless he's a spy or something. Trump saved them the embarrassment of recalling their ambassador.
Several-which is why it's to the UK's advantage to get rid of a compromised diplomat quickly. Trump has given them two outs: refusing to work with the guy making leaving him here pointless and not casting any blame on the UK government.
I get that you hate Trump but no president would or should sit still for that. The guy is lucky - Teddy Roosevelt would have shot him!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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