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[oxmixmudd]

Private gossip rarely is. Every diplomat knows full well his work is some other government's intel - and that anything can be leaked.

Only fools ignore facts. There's a huge gulf between malicious sabotage and whistle blowing - but it makes no difference once the truth comes out.

So why are you supporting a demonstrably incompetent foreign ambassador? Why do you support the interests of the UK over the US? It cannot serve the US' interests to keep an ambassador who demonstrates bile toward the administration. Heck, it doesn't serve the UK's interests unless he's a spy or something. Trump saved them the embarrassment of recalling their ambassador.

Several-which is why it's to the UK's advantage to get rid of a compromised diplomat quickly. Trump has given them two outs: refusing to work with the guy making leaving him here pointless and not casting any blame on the UK government.

I get that you hate Trump but no president would or should sit still for that. The guy is lucky - Teddy Roosevelt would have shot him!

You have successfully skirted the issue, but the fact remains by allowing this incident to undermine US, UK relations, Trump has acted against the best interests of tte US, the UK, and the free world and played into the lihely intent of the leaker.

What does that make Donald Trump if that is purely accidental on his part?

Jim

[rogue06]

You have successfully skirted the issue, but the fact remains by allowing this incident to undermine US, UK relations, Trump has acted against the best interests of tte US, the UK, and the free world and played into the lihely intent of the leaker.

What does that make Donald Trump if that is purely accidental on his part?

Jim

Undermine? As Teal pointed out, Trump graciously provided the Brits ways to extricate themselves from this mess of their own making in a way that allows them to save face.

[Teallaura]

You have successfully skirted the issue, but the fact remains by allowing this incident to undermine US, UK relations, Trump has acted against the best interests of tte US, the UK, and the free world and played into the lihely intent of the leaker.

What does that make Donald Trump if that is purely accidental on his part?

Jim

That remains your opinion. My assessment, already outlined, is that Trump has actually minimized the incident without casting doubt on the UK government. It appears deliberate, not accidental, which makes Trump a better president than I thought he'd be.

And it makes me a better ambassador than Mr-Dumb-enough-to-put-insults-in-writing!

[Sparko]

How could Trump's reaction hurt US/UK relations more than that ambassador's reports already were attempting to do?

[JimL]

How could Trump's reaction hurt US/UK relations more than that ambassador's reports already were attempting to do?

And who would want to hurt US/UK relations?

[Mountain Man]

And who would want to hurt US/UK relations?

Liberals.

[oxmixmudd]

How could Trump's reaction hurt US/UK relations more than that ambassador's reports already were attempting to do?

First - that ambassador was not trying to hurt US/UK relations - that was a private communication. What the ambassador was trying to do was give a candid assessment of who Trump is and how they should deal with him - which is his job.

How could Trump's reaction hurt relations?

By trying to force the UK to replace an ambassador that:

Source: UK

The UK Prime Minister's spokesman said Monday that Theresa May has "full faith" in Kim Darroch and that providing an "unvarnished assessment" is an ambassador's job.

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By making it more difficult for the UK to get candid assessments from their ambassadors.

which, if Trump's past behavior is any indicator, Trump will escalate as far as is necessary to extract his revenge.

And By confirming the ambassador's warning by dealing with the problem with the maturity level of the baby the famous London balloon depicts.

To be sure, the UK needs to find and expose the leak. Because whoever their ambassador is, they need that person to be able to be frank and honest in their assessments of the state of affairs here in the US.

Jim

[Sparko]

First - that ambassador was not trying to hurt US/UK relations - that was a private communication. What the ambassador was trying to do was give a candid assessment of who Trump is and how they should deal with him - which is his job.

How could Trump's reaction hurt relations?

By trying to force the UK to replace an ambassador that:

Source: UK

The UK Prime Minister's spokesman said Monday that Theresa May has "full faith" in Kim Darroch and that providing an "unvarnished assessment" is an ambassador's job.

© Copyright Original Source

By making it more difficult for the UK to get candid assessments from their ambassadors.

which, if Trump's past behavior is any indicator, Trump will escalate as far as is necessary to extract his revenge.

And By confirming the ambassador's warning by dealing with the problem with the maturity level of the baby the famous London balloon depicts.

To be sure, the UK needs to find and expose the leak. Because whoever their ambassador is, they need that person to be able to be frank and honest in their assessments of the state of affairs here in the US.

Jim

Obviously the UK will just replace the ambassador with another one and tell him to be more careful with his wording, try to be a bit more Diplomatic with Trump in public and will try to plug the leak. Problem solved.

[oxmixmudd]

Liberals.

The short list would be the Russians, China, or a Middle eastern Terrorist Group.

But it could be as simple and lame as some selfish jerk in the UK that themselves wants revenge on the ambassador (may someone passed over for the position?).

Lots of possibilities. But Donald Trump can be counted on to put himself and his ego above US/UK relations or US/NATO relations for that matter. So he is a man easily manipulated by a whole host of enemies of freedom and western democratic ideals.


Jim

[Teallaura]

And who would want to hurt US/UK relations?

EU, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea....

[rogue06]

The short list would be the Russians, China, or a Middle eastern Terrorist Group.

But it could be as simple and lame as some selfish jerk in the UK that themselves wants revenge on the ambassador (may someone passed over for the position?).

Lots of possibilities. But Donald Trump can be counted on to put himself and his ego above US/UK relations or US/NATO relations for that matter. So he is a man easily manipulated by a whole host of enemies of freedom and western democratic ideals.


Jim

The ambassador became a liability for Britain the moment his comments became public. Trump provided a way for the Brits to remove him and still save face. But somehow it's all Trump's fault. TDS in action.

[oxmixmudd]

EU, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea....

EU would be a stretch, but we agree on the rest

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

The ambassador became a liability for Britain the moment his comments became public. Trump provided a way for the Brits to remove him and still save face. But somehow it's all Trump's fault. <AH>

Yes he did - which would most certainly have been at least on intended consequence of the leaker. What is Trump's fault is taking his bellicose tirade public and trying to publicly shame the UK itself rather than diplomatically work behind the scenes to negotiate a replacement - and hey - publicly join forces with our ALLY and HELP the UK find the leak itself!

Now there is a thought!


Jim

[Teallaura]

First - that ambassador was not trying to hurt US/UK relations - that was a private communication. What the ambassador was trying to do was give a candid assessment of who Trump is and how they should deal with him - which is his job.

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Jim

But he did. He created the document that lead to the incident. Blaming Trump is only slightly less dumb than blaming Pelosi would be. The ambassador, not Trump, caused the incident. Trump, as I stated, gave the UK two outs which helps minimize the incident.

I disliked the Obama admin - but they would have been idiots to tolerate such a thing, and bigger ones to keep working with the guy. In actuality, as much as it galls me, they even occasionally did things right.

What the UK really needs to do is buy their diplomats a thesaurus.

[Teallaura]

EU would be a stretch, but we agree on the rest

Jim

Nah, the EU tops the list - Brexit, and the UK's history of not following the crowd, have made for considerable tension. Do you really think the EU couldn't have given May a more workable deal? Damaging the US relations that the UK is banking on would delight the EU no end.