Americans Strongly Dislike PC Culture

[Cow Poke]

Americans Strongly Dislike PC Culture

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So, are you part of the majority tired of political correctness?

[mossrose]

I voted, but it probably doesn't count, because I'm not American.

[Cow Poke]

I voted, but it probably doesn't count, because I'm not American.

But you're one of us, so...

[JonathanL]

I'm a proud member of the PC Master Race....






...Oh wait, you were talking about the other kind of PC?

[KingsGambit]

PC stands for Protestant Christian, right?

[Leonhard]

Political Correctness is a loaded term. It basically means "speech regulation that I don't like".

There's "Political Correctness" on this forum, there are certain words that can't be said, discussions that can't be had, images that can't be linked to etc. If you want a free speech forum go to 4chan, there you'll find pedophilia cartoons, industrial accidents gloried in, hyper explicit racism, and so forth. Anything less than that could in some fashion be considered "Politically Correct"

So while I get that Conservatives have gripes about some toxic Leftists deeming some things microaggressions, or threatening people for not using a preferred pronoun, we shouldn't forget that there was a time when the Moral Majority wanted to regulate all manner of things and whether they could be shown in television.

[KingsGambit]

Political Correctness is a loaded term. It basically means "speech regulation that I don't like".

There's "Political Correctness" on this forum, there are certain words that can't be said, discussions that can't be had, images that can't be linked to etc. If you want a free speech forum go to 4chan, there you'll find pedophilia cartoons, industrial accidents gloried in, hyper explicit racism, and so forth. Anything less than that could in some fashion be considered "Politically Correct"

So while I get that Conservatives have gripes about some toxic Leftists deeming some things microaggressions, or threatening people for not using a preferred pronoun, we shouldn't forget that there was a time when the Moral Majority wanted to regulate all manner of things and whether they could be shown in television.

Right, many people claim to be for absolute freedom of speech. Few are in practice, and those who are I generally don't want to be around.

[Cow Poke]

Right, many people claim to be for absolute freedom of speech. Few are in practice, and those who are I generally don't want to be around.

I'm certainly not for total freedom of speech. But I think we can get downright nutty with the limitations, and I think that's what this topic is all about.

[oxmixmudd]

I'm certainly not for total freedom of speech. But I think we can get downright nutty with the limitations, and I think that's what this topic is all about.

You'll get no disagreement from me that 'political correctness' is a bad thing, whether it is practiced overtly as on the left, or implicitly as it is on the right. Free speech itself has somewhat been perverted. It's not really about being able to put a crucifix in pee and call it 'art'. It's about the ability to speak the truth, or more importantly what one believes to be the truth, about a politician or the government without reprisal from the same or those that stand with that person or that implement that government.

Free speech, as originally envisioned, is endangered from all sides by 'political correctness'.

Jim

[KingsGambit]

I'm certainly not for total freedom of speech. But I think we can get downright nutty with the limitations, and I think that's what this topic is all about.

If you go on places like Reddit and 4chan, there are plenty of people who are passionate about freedom of speech/PC culture, and they like to go out of their way to push as many of those buttons as possible, to the point where freedom of speech becomes almost associated with the freedom to promote racism, pedophilia, and bullying. I think this is a big reason why some people who are generally reasonable still conclude that PC culture is generally a good thing.

[Mountain Man]

I'm certainly not for total freedom of speech. But I think we can get downright nutty with the limitations, and I think that's what this topic is all about.

I'm in favor of total freedom. Yes, you absolutely should have the right to yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but you should also be punished if it results in a panicked stampede. In that case, the crime is creating a panic and not "abusing" free speech. In other words, punish the result and not the means.

[TheWall]

The way I see it freedom of speach implies that you have the freedom and knowledge to understand what you are saying.

[KingsGambit]

I'm in favor of total freedom. Yes, you absolutely should have the right to yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but you should also be punished if it results in a panicked stampede. In that case, the crime is creating a panic and not "abusing" free speech. In other words, punish the result and not the means.

Problem is, if there's a stampede, plenty of other people are going to bear the consequences besides yourself.

[oxmixmudd]

Problem is, if there's a stampede, plenty of other people are going to bear the consequences besides yourself.

Yep. And a lot of money wasted trying to create and litigate an ad hoc charge to cover the wrong done.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

I'm in favor of total freedom. Yes, you absolutely should have the right to yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but you should also be punished if it results in a panicked stampede. In that case, the crime is creating a panic and not "abusing" free speech. In other words, punish the result and not the means.

The reason that exception is the classic one is that the result is pretty reliably predictable. There is no legitimate reason to yell FIRE in a crowded theater, unless there's a fire.