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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    The same media outlet wrote several different versions of the same article which it released over the course of the weekend as the buyback progressed. I think the 169 number was from halfway through the first day. Here's a later one, Government's first gun buy-back scheme secures banned weapons worth $1 million, which cites the number of guns collected as "over 500". So they seem about on track for their estimate of buying back $200m worth of weapons over the course of 258 such buy-back events over the next 3 months.

    The media here is very right-wing for the most part, and numerous people in the media hate the current center/left government. If there's anything bad to report about what the government's doing, they will.
    500 guns is still nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, basically an exact opposite of the US.
    Remember Starlight thinks Stalin is "right-wing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Remember Starlight thinks Stalin is "right-wing"
    I think he's trying to walk that back just a smidge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Remember Starlight thinks Stalin is "right-wing"
    It isn't so much that he thinks Stalin was right-wing, as he apparently defines authoritarianism and dictatorships as right-wing. Good to know that leftists can't be authoritarian, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    A point not worth making because...
    No, no, no. I'm not going to let you pull the same cheap stunt twice.

    MM said:
    But if you look at the 30-years before and the 30-years after, the death toll from mass killings is roughly same, and your rates of violent crime, homicide, and suicide are higher now than before the ban.

    And you clumsily attempted to change it to deaths caused exclusively by firearms.

    Demonstrably false. “In Australia we went from 614 firearm deaths in 1990 to 274 in 2016. That’s a fall from 3.4 deaths per 100,000 people to 1 per 100,000 in 2016,”

    And now you are trying to do it again.

    The fact is that the homicide rate has essentially remained the same from what it was before the ban. That is what you are so desperately trying to distract attention from and, as I noted

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    All they care about is that those being killed aren't dying by gun violence. They don't seem to be concerned about those killed by other means. Apparently it makes them less dead or something.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think he's trying to walk that back just a smidge.
    I'd like to see that since he doubled down defending the claim when he was initially called out on it.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have Rogue's brain in a jar on my bookshelf - it's at LEAST as big as a ping pong ball.
    And I want it back! I'm having to make do with yours which is marble-size

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    500 guns is still nothing.
    And as Raph has noted the actual number was about half of that since a couple hundred of the items turned in weren't firearms but parts.

    So in effect the number turned in was half of nothing





    These dismal results goes a long way in explaining why the MSM dropped this like a hot rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    It isn't so much that he thinks Stalin was right-wing, as he apparently defines authoritarianism and dictatorships as right-wing. Good to know that leftists can't be authoritarian, I guess.
    He has explicitly declared that Stalin was a right-winger on more than one occasion

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    And as Raph has noted the actual number was about half of that since a couple hundred of the items turned in weren't firearms but parts.

    So in effect the number turned in was half of nothing





    These dismal results goes a long way in explaining why the MSM dropped this like a hot rock.
    They were talking about two different articles. The first article Starlight posted during the buyback said 200+ guns and 200+ parts. But the article after the buyback that Starlight linked to when he talked about 500 guns did say 540 guns and 500+ parts were turned in.

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