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Originally posted by Adrift View PostTo be clear, my argument isn't that we should stop focusing on causes of violence in order to remove guns. I think it's possible to do both.
I'm not sure I'm parsing this reply. I suppose my answer would be "you’d have better luck draining the ocean with an eye dropper" than preventing the cause of violent crime, but for whatever reason we think it's worth doing."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostNah. You don't really have to go that far. Plenty of 1st world nations have banned guns, and while, yeah, you can get them if you have enough money and connections, it's relatively difficult."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI doubt it. See I picked the eye dropper analogy because it perfectly illustrates the problem with unchecked idealism, in the face of reality. Trying to reduce violent crime and it’s causes will likely get you majority support. Trying to tack on a gun ban will likely make enemies of allies and make any efforts you attempt at your goal of violence reduction, fruitless.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostNot really because you can get good support because most people want to see reductions in violent crimes. Most or at least a sizable minority don’t want to see gun bans. Support is the lifeblood of a movement, can’t get it and the whole thing falls apart.
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Here's where I stand on the issue:
There is no evidence that banning guns has an overall positive effect on violent crime. In many cases, we see the opposite to one degree or another -- usually with a huge spike immediately following the ban that takes many, many years to return to pre-ban levels. And then it leads to nonsense like this:
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAgain, to be clear, I know that a gun ban in America is impossible. Americans have a religious (in my opinion, idolatrous) connection to their guns. However, I still believe it's possible for the government to do two things at once. To both reduce violent crime and regulate guns. MANY other 1st world nations do it already."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYes, but they don't appear nearly as homicidal, likely because guns are heavily restricted and are hard to come by."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostOr they don’t have large gangs, smaller/not as many urban centers, don’t have larger criminal networks, have countries with far more violence on their border, etc. Correlation doesn’t equal causation, there’s tons of reasons a country is more violent vs another. Mexico and Brazil have more restrictions on guns than the US, this hasn’t made them safer than the US.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMexico and Brazil aren't first world nations. It's reasonable to expect more violent activity in nations where law enforcement is heavily corrupt, and underpaid."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI acknowledge that, of course. They're not nearly as strict as most 1st world nations."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Roy View Postblah blah blah..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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