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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Good news for gun control advocates in the US (assuming their goal is to improve peace and safety and not simply tamp down a basic human right):

    ...the high water mark for firearm murders was 1994 while 2017, the most recent year with complete data on incidents, shows a sharp drop. There were “16,136 [firearm murders] in 1994” but only “10,982” in 2017.

    And if looked at in terms of the murder rate, instead of simply the raw murder numbers, the drop in firearm homicides is even more evident.

    For example, the FBI calculated “6.2 firearm murders per 100,000 people” in 1994, while the murder rate in 2017 was 3.38. And the murder rate was even lower than 3.38 in 2014.

    An interesting correlation with the drop in firearm murders is the incredible expansion of private firearm ownership. In other words, the number of privately-owned firearms was increasing at the same time that the number of firearm murders was plummeting.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...last-25-years/

    I wonder if you were to take criminal gang activity out of that --- people who very obviously should NOT have guns...
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    It's just been announced today that New Zealand is likely going to get another set of new gun laws...

    Firearms register among second raft of gun law reforms announced by PM:
    Firearm owners will have to register their guns under a second raft of proposed law reform.... Other reforms announced on Monday include: halving the ten-year licence expiry to five-years; barring visitors to New Zealand from purchasing firearms; more powers for police to take guns; requiring a firearm licence for ammunition and parts purchases, and registering the country's estimated 260 gun clubs...

    The ability for firearms owners to privately buy and sell guns will remain, and new rules around advertising firearms will be put in place...

    The new bill is yet to be drafted. Nash expected it would be introduced in August, with a three month select committee process to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Starlight likes to define anything and everything bad as right wing and everything good as left wing.
    Sure. Just like some on this site like to define everything good as Christian and everything bad as Not True Christian.

    My view is that there are major differences between 'left' and 'right', that morality matters in politics, that there are objective facts about which political views are better and how they affect people's lives, and that it's not just a 'he-says' 'she-says' thing. And just as not all those who say they are Christians act Christ-like, not all those who say or think they are on the 'left' necessarily act consistently with it. Many people can, and do, have pretty inconsistent political positions, and label themselves inaccurately. That doesn't change the fact that the left in politics is fundamentally good, as it attempts to distribute power to everyone, and has been responsible for bending the arc of history toward justice, as it has fought for democracy and against slavery and for distributing rights and power to all people, while the right in politics is fundamentally evil as it attempts to consolidate power in the hands of the few and have some rule over others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Good news for gun control advocates in the US (assuming their goal is to improve peace and safety and not simply tamp down a basic human right):

    ...the high water mark for firearm murders was 1994 while 2017, the most recent year with complete data on incidents, shows a sharp drop. There were “16,136 [firearm murders] in 1994” but only “10,982” in 2017.

    And if looked at in terms of the murder rate, instead of simply the raw murder numbers, the drop in firearm homicides is even more evident.

    For example, the FBI calculated “6.2 firearm murders per 100,000 people” in 1994, while the murder rate in 2017 was 3.38. And the murder rate was even lower than 3.38 in 2014.

    An interesting correlation with the drop in firearm murders is the incredible expansion of private firearm ownership. In other words, the number of privately-owned firearms was increasing at the same time that the number of firearm murders was plummeting.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...last-25-years/
    And yet, in Australia where guns are banned, the number of gun-related deaths is 1.04 per thousand whereas in the USA, where gun ownership is common, the number of gun related deaths is 19.51 per thousand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

    In short, “US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries…”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975

    The figures speak for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Sure. Just like some on this site like to define everything good as Christian and everything bad as Not True Christian.
    And it just happens that the most blood soaked political ideologies of the 20th century are ones with an atheist worldview. Funny how that works.

    My view is that there are major differences between 'left' and 'right', that morality matters in politics, that there are objective facts about which political views are better and how they affect people's lives, and that it's not just a 'he-says' 'she-says' thing. And just as not all those who say they are Christians act Christ-like, not all those who say or think they are on the 'left' necessarily act consistently with it. Many people can, and do, have pretty inconsistent political positions, and label themselves inaccurately. That doesn't change the fact that the left in politics is fundamentally good, as it attempts to distribute power to everyone, and has been responsible for bending the arc of history toward justice, as it has fought for democracy and against slavery and for distributing rights and power to all people, while the right in politics is fundamentally evil as it attempts to consolidate power in the hands of the few and have some rule over others.
    Which still doesn’t change the fact that right and left wing are not set in stone and change over time and country to country. Your simple thinking is stupid anyway in light of the fact that ideas of individual liberty and separation of powers currently finds itself as a right wing position, in the US. It’s also stupid when you consider that consolidation of power was done under left wing politics in the 19th century, under The French Revolution and in the 20th with the spread of communism and fascism. Keep showing you don’t understand history. Far more violence was inflicted on the world, under left wing governments, over the past 200 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    And yet, in Australia where guns are banned, the number of gun-related deaths is 1.04 per thousand whereas in the USA, where gun ownership is common, the number of gun related deaths is 19.51 per thousand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

    In short, “US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries…”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975

    The figures speak for themselves.
    I know tazzy is ignoring me, after I embarrassed him all those years ago in his butchering of facts, but Tazzy is flat ignoring that nearly 60% of US firearm deaths are the result of suicide with much of the rest of the 40% being the results of inner city gang warfare. Taking that into mind tells us that Tazzy is playing fast and lose with the facts, so he can paint a false narrative. In reality, staying out of crime and not being suicidal will drastically reduce your odds of being shot, in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    And yet, in Australia where guns are banned, the number of gun-related deaths is 1.04 per thousand whereas in the USA, where gun ownership is common, the number of gun related deaths is 19.51 per thousand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

    In short, “US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries…”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975

    The figures speak for themselves.
    The fact that Australia's gun ban did nothing at all to reduce overall rates of homicide and violent crime which are higher now than before the ban also speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The fact that Australia's gun ban did nothing at all to reduce overall rates of homicide and violent crime which are higher now than before the ban also speaks for itself.
    Shhh, it doesn’t matter if almost 60% of US firearm deaths are the results of suicide and most of the murders are the results of groups of criminals deciding to kill each other. All that matters is gun=bad and nothing will change that reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The fact that Australia's gun ban did nothing at all to reduce overall rates of homicide and violent crime which are higher now than before the ban also speaks for itself.
    B-but, but fewer folks are using guns to kill each other and that is all the matters. I mean who cares about those dying by other means just as long as firearms are being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    B-but, but fewer folks are using guns to kill each other and that is all the matters. I mean who cares about those dying by other means just as long as firearms are being used.
    B-but, is where MM is pulling his statistics from - the murder rate in Australia fell from 1.7 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2018.

    How is the US murder rate, ohh 5.3 per 100,000, that's right, you aren't crying about that.

    Make America great again, by becoming Australia and its correct public order policies.

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