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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post

    "In the clear" for what? I think it's pretty well known that I voted for the evil of two lessers, and have never touted Trump's Christianity or Christian virtues.
    That was based upon a misunderstanding on my part. I thought based on what somebody had said that Graham had used the word "deal breaker" based on Buttigieg's sexual sin alone, and thought that the idea that that alone would disqualify him was a double standard. But I can't find any evidence he ever actually said that. I still think the idea that he is willing to publicly speak about one but not the other is a double standard, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke
    Which is why I've never defended him as a "practicing Christian", and have always had doubts about whatever "conversion" there reportedly was.
    I'm honestly not all that interested. At most reports from certain Christian leaders about Trump's piety are either correct, or its possible that they're just seeing what they want to see. At the end of the day it just doesn't matter to the voter whether Trump is genuinely a Christian, or whether he politically caters to the Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I'm honestly not all that interested. At most reports from certain Christian leaders about Trump's piety are either correct, or its possible that they're just seeing what they want to see. At the end of the day it just doesn't matter to the voter whether Trump is genuinely a Christian, or whether he politically caters to the Christians.
    All things being equal, I'd prefer someone who was upfront about not being religious than somebody who put on a front about being a Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    All things being equal, I'd prefer someone who was upfront about not being religious than somebody who put on a front about being a Christian.
    I'd rather have a satanist who pretended to be a Christian, and worked to implement Christian principles, than someone calling themselves a Christian, while working in the exact opposite direction.

    I'm honestly glad I live in Denmark, no party here is trying to stop abortion, so I don't have to hold my nose and sacrifice all of my political principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I'm honestly not all that interested. At most reports from certain Christian leaders about Trump's piety are either correct, or its possible that they're just seeing what they want to see. At the end of the day it just doesn't matter to the voter whether Trump is genuinely a Christian, or whether he politically caters to the Christians.
    It matters to me - if he were loudly proclaiming his faith and still acting the jerk, it would bother me. It matters to me for the same reason it matters to me with everyone I know - I wanna see EVERYBODY in Heaven. No, I'm not a universalist - just really, really hopeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    It matters to me - if he were loudly proclaiming his faith and still acting the jerk, it would bother me. It matters to me for the same reason it matters to me with everyone I know - I wanna see EVERYBODY in Heaven. No, I'm not a universalist - just really, really hopeful.
    You don't need to be afraid anybody thinks you sound like a universalist there. What you said is pretty much 2 Peter 3:9.
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    I accidentally stumbled across this page where Robert Gagnon pushes back forcefully against Never-Trumper David French's attack on Franklin Graham (and accordingly, on other evangelicals who support Trump). Pretty thorough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I accidentally stumbled across this page where Robert Gagnon pushes back forcefully against Never-Trumper David French's attack on Franklin Graham (and accordingly, on other evangelicals who support Trump). Pretty thorough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    You don't need to be afraid anybody thinks you sound like a universalist there. What you said is pretty much 2 Peter 3:9.
    Any Christian should wish for all other people to be saved, no matter how greater a sinner, even themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I'm honestly not all that interested. At most reports from certain Christian leaders about Trump's piety are either correct, or its possible that they're just seeing what they want to see. At the end of the day it just doesn't matter to the voter whether Trump is genuinely a Christian, or whether he politically caters to the Christians.
    It doesn't matter to me from the perspective that he never ran on a "I'm a religious guy" platform, and the only reason it matters to the liberals is because they tout Buttigieg as a REAL Christian. Buttigieg has, of course, attacked the faith of both Trump and Pence, while claiming he doesn't do that.

    The Democrats are trying to solve their God problem by touting pro-abortion pro-homosexual candidates as the "right kind" of Christians.
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