Christians and Trump--two perspectives

[Timothy]

Timothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.

I know, that was the point and the joke! She literally has NO evidence that I have been on a child killing spree and yet...The facts didn't stop her from condemning me.
What if someone believed her? I could spend weeks in jail just waiting for the murder charges to be dropped. I can't afford bail! This is outrageous!

[Timothy]

That's why I kinda thought she was giving him a dose of his own medicine.

Yes, but it is the other way around.

You are kind of slow, aren't you?

[Timothy]

I don't think she really thinks that people who don't support Trump are secretly baby killers.

Thanks...
But you don't know what I've done...







Buhahahahahaha!!!!!

[Zymologist]

I'm not a Trump supporter. Didn't vote for him in 2016, don't plan to vote for him in 2020. In fact, didn't even vote for a single R in the midterms.

The only people who have attacked me on this website over political issues are the leftists and the anti-Trump crowd in general.

[Cow Poke]

Yes, but it is the other way around.

You are kind of slow, aren't you?

He's reminding me of JimL more and more.

[rogue06]

Maybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.

I think it is a bit of both. That he regularly sticks his foot in it especially with his tendency toward heavy exaggeration and hyperbole^[1] is undeniable. But he's done it enough times on purpose and got the results he sought too often to ignore that.

The best example that I can remember of the latter was his tweet "attacking" Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh nomination hearings by specifically listing a number of the problems with her claim. As he expected the MSM immediately jumped on him for being a sexist misogynistic ogre for daring to be so mean to poor little Ford. But in doing so they repeated what Trump said and for millions of Americans this was the first time they had heard these things. Prior to Trump's tweet and the MSM's coverage of it they may have heard that there were discrepancies in her story but not many if any details. Now they were seeing just how many discrepancies that there were and how big they were. Within the week Ford and Kavanaugh were even when it came to who the public thought was credible whereas the week before Ford was enjoying a double digit lead in that measure.








1. Apparently it is a common trait among people from Queens. Everything is the best, the biggest, the most... I always thought that was a characteristic unique with Texans but apparently it isn't.

[Timothy]

He's reminding me of JimL more and more.

I was joking! Didn't you see the smiley? Can't you take a joke? What's wrong with you? Too sensitive? Do you need a safe space? Poor whiny trumpy.





Here's the smiley

[Timothy]

Here is a serious question for all of the Evangelical Trumpys who were around in the 90s.
What is the difference between Bill Clinton sticking his willy where it didn't belong and Donald Trump sticking his donny where it doesn't belong?

One is a democrat and the other says he is a republican.
If that isn't hypocritical, then nothing can be.

AND if you are going to excuse Dishonest Donald Trump for everything he is doing, then you have to excuse EVERYONE for anything THEY do.
Including me. And as your orange hero says "We don't have to involve God in that".



And here is your smiley cowpie

[Adrift]

I think it is a bit of both. That he regularly sticks his foot in it especially with his tendency toward heavy exaggeration and hyperbole^[1] is undeniable. But he's done it enough times on purpose and got the results he sought too often to ignore that.

The best example that I can remember of the latter was his tweet "attacking" Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh nomination hearings by specifically listing a number of the problems with her claim. As he expected the MSM immediately jumped on him for being a sexist misogynistic ogre for daring to be so mean to poor little Ford. But in doing so they repeated what Trump said and for millions of Americans this was the first time they had heard these things. Prior to Trump's tweet and the MSM's coverage of it they may have heard that there were discrepancies in her story but not many if any details. Now they were seeing just how many discrepancies that there were and how big they were. Within the week Ford and Kavanaugh were even when it came to who the public thought was credible whereas the week before Ford was enjoying a double digit lead in that measure.








1. Apparently it is a common trait among people from Queens. Everything is the best, the biggest, the most... I always thought that was a characteristic unique with Texans but apparently it isn't.

You know, a set of parenthesis can go a long way so you don't have to provide notation.

Yes, I agree that people from Queens (actually people from New England as well) tend to over-exaggerate as a normal mode of speaking, and I have no doubt that it comes even more naturally to a business man who's spent a lifetime making gains in self-promotion. I think the idea that Trump knowingly sways popular media to his bidding is...unlikely. In my opinion, he's no grandmaster of 4D chess. He's a fool who keeps getting away with his foolishness because he's mastered the art of doubling down, and his base loves his "not a politician/just keepin it real" persona. I'd like to think that one of these days it'll blow up in his face, but if he can get away with the lewd remarks he made behind the scenes on the Hollywood Access tape, then it's probably unlikely his base will be swayed by much.

[Adrift]

Here is a serious question for all of the Evangelical Trumpys who were around in the 90s.
What is the difference between Bill Clinton sticking his willy where it didn't belong and Donald Trump sticking his donny where it doesn't belong?

One is a democrat and the other says he is a republican.
If that isn't hypocritical, then nothing can be.

AND if you are going to excuse Dishonest Donald Trump for everything he is doing, then you have to excuse EVERYONE for anything THEY do.
Including me. And as your orange hero says "We don't have to involve God in that".



And here is your smiley cowpie

The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.

[Zymologist]

The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.

I think it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't seem guilty of sexual immorality in recent years (to my knowledge)...

...however, I'm also not aware of any repentance on his part of this past sin, which is concerning to me.

[Timothy]

The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.

One was in office and one wasn't in office? Is that really the excuse Trumpys use? The location? If I have sex with an adult film star am I good to go as long as I am not in the oval office?
Also, both lied. No difference there.

There is no evidence that Trump is a changed man. Sex exchanged for other sins, that's not really an upgrade.
Trumpys make excuses for Trump. That is the way things work. They don't even care if that makes them hypocrites. They are proud! They wear Trump's name on their foreheads!

[KingsGambit]

I think it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't seem guilty of sexual immorality in recent years (to my knowledge)...

...however, I'm also not aware of any repentance on his part of this past sin, which is concerning to me.

There's no way somebody wouldn't have said something by now had he done something in office. Every time he says something stupid in a briefing or whatever, it gets leaked.

He certainly hasn't repented of sins like pride and vengeance, but those are issues for many of us.

[Zymologist]

There's no way somebody wouldn't have said something by now had he done something in office. Every time he says something stupid in a briefing or whatever, it gets leaked.

He certainly hasn't repented of sins like pride and vengeance, but those are issues for many of us.

I'm just thinking--and keeping in mind that I don't pay much attention to these things--his claims to current Christian faith seem pretty weak sauce to me, especially in light of lacking things like a repudiation of past immorality (his "grab" comment, etc.). I've seen some claim that he's a baby Christian, which I suppose is possible, but I'm not sure I buy it.

[Timothy]

Timothy,

I actively campaigned against Trump in the primaries. No one in my family voted for him in the primaries. But, when faced with Hillary or Trump, I almost literally held my nose and voted for him. Since he has been POTUS, I have not approved of a lot of his tweets, and statements, but, I don't know of any immoral act he has done since becoming president.

1) What immoral acts do you think he has done in the last 3 years since being elected?

Here you go.

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