Is Homosexuality a "worse sin" than other sins?

[Christian3]

Ambiguous? Are you kidding?

No, I am not kidding.

Leviticus 18:22:

22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Is this verse speaking of a man who cannot find a willing woman or a loving relationship between two males?

I cannot imagine being attracted to someone of the same sex, but there are people who are and it starts very early.

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to the same sex, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone of the apposite sex. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your mate.

[Cow Poke]

No, I am not kidding.

Leviticus 18:22:

22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Is this verse speaking of a man who cannot find a willing woman or a loving relationship between two males?

I cannot imagine being attracted to someone of the same sex, but there are people who are and it starts very early.

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to the same sex, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone of the apposite sex. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your mate.

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to children, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone under age. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your victim.

[One Bad Pig]

No, I am not kidding.

Leviticus 18:22:

22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Is this verse speaking of a man who cannot find a willing woman or a loving relationship between two males?

It appears to be rather unambiguously referring to two males, regardless of circumstances.

I cannot imagine being attracted to someone of the same sex, but there are people who are and it starts very early.

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to the same sex, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone of the apposite sex. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your mate.

Maybe not marry, in that case?

[Faber]

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to children, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone under age. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your victim.

Or to animals.

[Sparko]

Does the author make any attempt to address the facts that

1) There are NO passages that AFFIRM same-sex sexual relationships, and

2) There are multiple passages that, whether or not they are "about" homosexuality, do *involve* homosexuality, and all are negative?

I can destroy every single idiotic argument on that list with one fact:

ANY Sex outside of marriage is a sin and condemned in the bible. That would include all homosexual sex. If committed homosexual relationships were OK, then they would have allowed them to get married. But homosexual marriages were not allowed at any time from the Israelites to the Christians. So there is no way a committed homosexual relationship was not a sin.

[Adrift]

I found an article just yesterday you might like to read:

The majority, even among critical non-evangelical scholars, is that the Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin. To make dealing with each claim simpler, I'm going to cite from NT scholar Robert Gagnon's website, who more or less specializes in this area counter folks like John Boswell and Matthew Vine. You can read the rest of his articles at the links I leave below each cite.

Source: Why We Know That the Story of Sodom Indicts Homosexual Practice Per Se, Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.

Jones follows others in arguing that most, if not all, biblical texts that refer directly to Sodom say nothing about homosexual practice but rather comment on inhospitable treatment of the vulnerable in their midst: the poor, resident aliens, and visitors. The truth is that most texts in the canon of Scripture that refer to Sodom simply mention it and Gomorrah as places of great evil that God utterly destroyed.[7] Isaiah 1:7-17 alludes to Sodom and Gomorrah in the context of discussing social injustice but this merely picks up one theme of the Sodom cycle without excluding other themes. There are a number of biblical texts that allude to the immorality of homosexual practice at Sodom.

(1) Ezekiel 16:49-50.[7] Ibid., 79 n. 103.

[8] E.g., Moshe Greenberg, Ezekiel 1-20 (AB; Garden City: Doubleday, 1983), 289 and Ezekiel 21-37 (AB; Garden City: Doubleday, 1997), 685; J. A. Loader, A Tale of Two Cities: Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, Early Jewish and Early Christian Traditions (CBET 1. Kampen: Kok, 1990), 37, 72-74.

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http://robgagnon.net/homosex7thDayAdvArticleSodom.htm



http://robgagnon.net/homosex7thDayAdvArticleSodom.htm



http://www.robgagnon.net/2VOnlineNotes.htm

here

Source: Dale Martin and the Myth of Total Textual Indeterminacy, by Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.

Now I certainly do not agree that, in the context of 1 Cor 6:9, malakoi means what Martin claims it must mean. In fact, I have critiqued his argument and similar arguments about 1 Cor 6:9 in my first book and works thereafter.

Cf. The Bible and Homosexual Practice (Nashville: Abingdon, 2001), esp. pp. 303-36; Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views (Minneapolis: Fortress, 2003), 81-88, with online notes 96-111 at http://robgagnon.net/TwoViews.htm;here

1. Its place in the vice list amidst other participants in illicit sexual intercourse. Since it is sandwiched in between the terms pornoi (a generic term for sexually immoral persons but, in the immediate context of 1 Cor 5, applied specifically to the incestuous man in nearly identical vice lists; cf. 5:9-11) and moichoi (adulterers) on the one side and arsenokoitai (men who lie with a male) on the other side, it is probable that malakoi too has to do with immoral sexual relations.

2. Its pairing with the immediately following word arsenokoitai.Greco-Roman usage of malakoi and the parallel Latin word molles (soft men).

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http://www.robgagnon.net/DaleMartinResponse.htm


http://robgagnon.net/homosexStacyJoh...nsCritique.htm

Source: Does Jack Rogers�s Book �Explode the Myths� about the Bible and Homosexuality and �Heal the Church�? (Installment 3; June 10, 2006) Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.

▪ Implications of 1 Tim 1:9-10 corresponding to the Decalogue. At least the last half of the vice list in 1 Tim 1:8-10 (and possibly the whole of it) corresponds to the Decalogue. Why is that important? In early Judaism and Christianity the Ten Commandments often served as summary headings for the full range of laws in the Old Testament.

The seventh commandment against adultery, which was aimed at guarding the institution of marriage, served as a summary of all biblical sex laws, including the prohibition of male-male intercourse. The vice of kidnapping, which follows arsenokoitai in 1 Tim 1:10, is typically classified under the eighth commandment against stealing (so Philo, Pseudo-Phocylides, the rabbis, and the Didache; see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 335-36). This makes highly improbable the attempt by some to pair arsenokoitai with the following term andrapodistai (kidnappers, men-stealers), as a way of limiting its reference to exploitative acts of male-male intercourse (so Rogers,parroting others), rather than with the inclusive sexual term pornoi (the sexually immoral) that precedes it.

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[Cow Poke]

The majority, even among critical non-evangelical scholars, is that the Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin....

Good work. Bookmarked your post for future reference.

[Christian3]

Imagine if you are male or female and are attracted to children, but everyone tells you that you are committing a sin for doing so. Imagine in these circumstances that you marry someone under age. Imagine how horrible it would be for you and your victim.

It's obvious that we are not speaking of a grown male taking advantage of children.

A note in my Hebrew study bible says of Leviticus 18:22: "Biblical and ancient Near Eastern culture was not familiar with homosexuality in the sense of a defined sexual orientation or lifestyle. It acknowledges only the occasional act of male anal intercourse, usually as an act of force associated with humiliation, revenge, or subjection."

I've read some theories as to why people of the same sex are attracted to each other and no one seems to know for sure.

What I am sure of is that God is the judge and we are not and that He will judge fairly.

I am also sure that as Christians we should treat homosexuals with love and compassion.

[Cow Poke]

It's obvious that we are not speaking of a grown male taking advantage of children.

Nor did I claim we are. I merely exposed the silliness of your "logic".

I am also sure that as Christians we should treat homosexuals with love and compassion.

Just like we do any sinners in need of a Savior.

[KingsGambit]

Put it this way... at face value, 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 says that homosexuality is something that will disqualify people from the kingdom. You'd better be 100% sure your interpretation is correct if you're going to tell people that's not what it means, otherwise, the consequences are going to be eternal.

[Littlejoe]

Put it this way... at face value, 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 says that homosexuality is something that will disqualify people from the kingdom. You'd better be 100% sure your interpretation is correct if you're going to tell people that's not what it means, otherwise, the consequences are going to be eternal.

Right, and this article says that Paul basically originated the word by transliterating and combining 2 words from the Hebrew in Leviticus 18 and 20.



https://www.crossway.org/articles/wh...nokoitai-mean/

[Christian3]

Nor did I claim we are. I merely exposed the silliness of your "logic".



Just like we do any sinners in need of a Savior.

And your response to the note in my Study Bible?

[One Bad Pig]

And your response to the note in my Study Bible?

Study bibles are not created equal. We don't even know what you're using so we can evaluate its potential use as an authority. I've seen other sources assert that the same passage was referring to cultic temple prostitution, which is hardly compatible with what you've posted.

[Cow Poke]

And your response to the note in my Study Bible?

Notes in Study Bibles are not inspired by God the way that the Word is.

[Christian3]

Notes in Study Bibles are not inspired by God the way that the Word is.

Of course and neither are our opinions inspired by God.

I thought it interesting to know what a JEWISH Study Bible would say about a passage in the Hebrew Scriptures and it confirms what the Rabbi said about it that I mentioned.

The bottom line is that no verse in the Bible addresses a loving, committed relationship between two people of the same sex.

The fallout is that the opinions of some are causing people to bash homosexuals, threaten them, kill them, etc.

And sadly the Gay nephew of one of the members of my church recently committed suicide because he could not take the persecution any longer and the persecutors justify what they do by interpreting the Bible the way that they do.