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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostAs to your last sentence...yes, there is one, and I've NEVER heard a sermon on it. In fact, it's usually bragged about in the pulpit (not necessarily YOUR pulpit) as well. That is the sin of Gluttony. It's the one that comes to mind. I think many Christians including preachers have issues with it. Many times in my almost 40 years of being a Christian, I've heard preachers and other brothers or sisters in Christ, expound on the YUGE, delicious meal they had and how much they ate and on and on...is it as bad as homosexuality? I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. To a starving man, I would say it would be just as bad.
It's funny because I've seen fat Christians that will talk about how bad drinking is (for example) but they have no issue with eating a whole large pizza by themselves and finishing off the meal with a big dessert...walking away from the table groaning...
Yes? No?
Overeating isn't gluttony - it's not even inherently wasteful since the body stores what it doesn't use. Gluttony is almost absent in modern times, at least in the West. Bulimia is its closest cousin.
Gluttony is the act of deliberately vomiting a meal for the purpose of making room to continue to eat more. It's associated with feasting - gluttons would divest themselves in between courses so the could continue to sample the delicacies.
In modern times, the eight course meal is rarely served - and it pales in comparison to the number of courses and dishes that were served at feasts in antiquity and into the medieval period. A four remove feast, commonly reenacted in the SCA, can have ten to twelve dishes - NOT counting the bread course. It's tiny compared to feasts from period - some of up to twelve removes. I attended one such reenactment - believe me, no one ate the whole thing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostYou really don't know who Beth Moore is?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, it's really hard to say, as some do, that "all sin is the same". And the scripture I referred to a few posts ago is the one I've seen used by those who argue "all sin is the same".
I do think that the "many lashes" vs. "few lashes" idea (Luke 12:47) argues that some are worse than others, but I don't think it's useful to try to develop some kind of scale. Personally, I find things like homosexuality and bestiality to be self-evidently sub-normal, which makes it easy to point at them as "worse" sins than "regular" lust, but I'm not sure that's really a good standard to use.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGluttony is the act of deliberately vomiting a meal for the purpose of making room to continue to eat more. It's associated with feasting - gluttons would divest themselves in between courses so the could continue to sample the delicacies.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think there are many Christians (especially online) who take pride in being a reviler. They may not explicitly recognize that's what they're doing. It's one of the sins mentioned in the same passage in 1 Corinthians though.Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCan you elaborate, please, on what you think was meant by "reviler" in the Bible?Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI basically have the same understanding that the gotquestions.org site has (https://www.gotquestions.org/reviler-in-the-Bible.html ); that covers angry outbursts, heavy profanity, and verbal abuse (often with pride).
NASB, NKJV, ESV have the traditional "reviler."
NIV and ISV have "slanderer."
HCSB and NET have "verbally abusive." NET includes a translation note that BDAG defines it as "reviler, abusive person."
I do use profanity, but I make some effort to not use it "at" people.
On one online ministry I'm involved in, a couple of fairly well known Christian writers (even one retired Bible professor) who have disagreed with us have threatened physical violence and used profanity toward us because of disagreeing on doctrinal matters. I think some of those "watch dog ministries" that are devoted to nothing more than tearing down other Christians on flimsy grounds cross the line, especially when there's slander involved.
It's not as bad as it used to be but in the past I think this line has also been crossed on TWeb when people decide to use "riposte" in situations that doesn't call for it (like calling people an idiot for a political or theological disagreement that Christians could legitimately take either side on).Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by seer View PostA couple of points. I knew a guy who was proud of bedding married women. Second, there were only about 22 behaviors in the Old Testament that drew the death penalty, homosexuality was one of these. So the Hebrews thought it as pretty bad.
Third, about desires; didn't Christ say that if you lusted after a woman you already committed adultery in your heart? How does that line up with homosexuals having sexual desires for the same sex? Haven't they sinned in their hearts?[/QUOTE]Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI do use profanity, but I make some effort to not use it "at" people."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt's also one of the "seven deadly sins"."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo. Not at all. Eli was never condemned in Scripture as a glutton - because although Scripture clearly states he was fat - he WASN'T a glutton.
Overeating isn't gluttony - it's not even inherently wasteful since the body stores what it doesn't use. Gluttony is almost absent in modern times, at least in the West. Bulimia is its closest cousin.
Gluttony is the act of deliberately vomiting a meal for the purpose of making room to continue to eat more. It's associated with feasting - gluttons would divest themselves in between courses so the could continue to sample the delicacies.
In modern times, the eight course meal is rarely served - and it pales in comparison to the number of courses and dishes that were served at feasts in antiquity and into the medieval period. A four remove feast, commonly reenacted in the SCA, can have ten to twelve dishes - NOT counting the bread course. It's tiny compared to feasts from period - some of up to twelve removes. I attended one such reenactment - believe me, no one ate the whole thing."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo. Not at all. Eli was never condemned in Scripture as a glutton - because although Scripture clearly states he was fat - he WASN'T a glutton.
Overeating isn't gluttony - it's not even inherently wasteful since the body stores what it doesn't use. Gluttony is almost absent in modern times, at least in the West. Bulimia is its closest cousin.
Gluttony is the act of deliberately vomiting a meal for the purpose of making room to continue to eat more. It's associated with feasting - gluttons would divest themselves in between courses so the could continue to sample the delicacies.
In modern times, the eight course meal is rarely served - and it pales in comparison to the number of courses and dishes that were served at feasts in antiquity and into the medieval period. A four remove feast, commonly reenacted in the SCA, can have ten to twelve dishes - NOT counting the bread course. It's tiny compared to feasts from period - some of up to twelve removes. I attended one such reenactment - believe me, no one ate the whole thing."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostWhile it's certainly true that fat ≠ gluttony, assigning it to ONLY overeating followed by vomiting is equally not correct. That certainly qualifies, but the very definition of gluttony is overindulging, overeating, over-drinking (drunkenness)."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostModern definition, maybe, but that's not how the term was originally defined, nor how it has been historically understood. Overindulging is often unwise - but is not itself sin.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostModern definition, maybe, but that's not how the term was originally defined, nor how it has been historically understood. Overindulging is often unwise - but is not itself sin.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI suspect you're making the mistake of assuming that the Hebrew definition of gluttony (from well before the Roman empire existed) is equivalent to overeating + vomiting so more can be eaten - a practice I only recall explicitly linked to said Roman empire. If you're looking for 'historical understanding', gluttony has been linked with overindulging since at least the dawn of the monastic era (late 3rd/early 4th century).Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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