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    Judge blows a huge hole in the Mueller report

    The premise of the Mueller report from day one has always been "The Russians did it; we just have to find out if Trump was involved."

    Mueller even made a big splash when he indicted some Russian troll farms and accused them of working for the Kremlin. Except a judge recently ruled that Mueller (and in consequence his report) is not allowed to say that because he never actually proved it during the course of his investigation.

    The judge notes that the Mueller report says it “established” that the Russia government interfered in the 2016 election via the actions of Concord. But he then notes that Mueller didn’t establish anything because he never actually linked Concord to the Russia government. [...] This is important because the judge says the Special Counsel’s office violated a rule in telling the public something that was not true... [...] Thus, the judge ordered no more public statements of this under threat of sanctions by the court...

    https://therightscoop.com/judge-issu...ueller-report/

    In fact, a deep dive look into the Mueller report shows that his evidence for Russian interference is sketchy at best. Here's a summary:

    * The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
    * The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
    * There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.
    * Mueller’s decision not to interview Assange – a central figure who claims Russia was not behind the hack – suggests an unwillingness to explore avenues of evidence on fundamental questions.
    * U.S. intelligence officials cannot make definitive conclusions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer servers because they did not analyze those servers themselves. Instead, they relied on the forensics of CrowdStrike, a private contractor for the DNC that was not a neutral party, much as “Russian dossier” compiler Christopher Steele, also a DNC contractor, was not a neutral party. This puts two Democrat-hired contractors squarely behind underlying allegations in the affair – a key circumstance that Mueller ignores.
    * Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking.
    * Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).
    * Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.
    * John Brennan, then director of the CIA, played a seminal and overlooked role in all facets of what became Mueller’s investigation: the suspicions that triggered the initial collusion probe; the allegations of Russian interference; and the intelligence assessment that purported to validate the interference allegations that Brennan himself helped generate. Yet Brennan has since revealed himself to be, like CrowdStrike and Steele, hardly a neutral party -- in fact a partisan with a deep animus toward Trump.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....ng_claims.html

    Short version: Not only did Trump not do it, but we can't even be certain the Russians did it, either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The premise of the Mueller report from day one has always been "The Russians did it; we just have to find out if Trump was involved."

    Mueller even made a big splash when he indicted some Russian troll farms and accused them of working for the Kremlin. Except a judge recently ruled that Mueller (and in consequence his report) is not allowed to say that because he never actually proved it during the course of his investigation.

    The judge notes that the Mueller report says it “established” that the Russia government interfered in the 2016 election via the actions of Concord. But he then notes that Mueller didn’t establish anything because he never actually linked Concord to the Russia government. [...] This is important because the judge says the Special Counsel’s office violated a rule in telling the public something that was not true... [...] Thus, the judge ordered no more public statements of this under threat of sanctions by the court...

    https://therightscoop.com/judge-issu...ueller-report/

    In fact, a deep dive look into the Mueller report shows that his evidence for Russian interference is sketchy at best. Here's a summary:

    * The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
    * The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
    * There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.
    * Mueller’s decision not to interview Assange – a central figure who claims Russia was not behind the hack – suggests an unwillingness to explore avenues of evidence on fundamental questions.
    * U.S. intelligence officials cannot make definitive conclusions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer servers because they did not analyze those servers themselves. Instead, they relied on the forensics of CrowdStrike, a private contractor for the DNC that was not a neutral party, much as “Russian dossier” compiler Christopher Steele, also a DNC contractor, was not a neutral party. This puts two Democrat-hired contractors squarely behind underlying allegations in the affair – a key circumstance that Mueller ignores.
    * Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking.
    * Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).
    * Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.
    * John Brennan, then director of the CIA, played a seminal and overlooked role in all facets of what became Mueller’s investigation: the suspicions that triggered the initial collusion probe; the allegations of Russian interference; and the intelligence assessment that purported to validate the interference allegations that Brennan himself helped generate. Yet Brennan has since revealed himself to be, like CrowdStrike and Steele, hardly a neutral party -- in fact a partisan with a deep animus toward Trump.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....ng_claims.html

    Short version: Not only did Trump not do it, but we can't even be certain the Russians did it, either!
    Right!

    I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Right!

    I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

    Jim
    After reflecting on your thorough rebuttal and undeniable command of the facts, I am afraid I must concede.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Right!

    I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

    Jim
    Kind of like you are for anything negative about Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Kind of like you are for anything negative about Trump.
    I can understand how it could appear that way to a person that doesn't understand what Trump is

    Jim
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    ox, if you have nothing of substance to contribute then I will ask you to leave the thread.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I can understand how it could appear that way to a person that doesn't understand what Trump is

    Jim
    I suggest you buy this hat:

    https://www.teeshirtpalace.com/produ...SABEgJZb_D_BwE

    and wear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I suggest you buy this hat:

    https://www.teeshirtpalace.com/produ...SABEgJZb_D_BwE

    and wear it.
    I've been asked not to continue on this line.

    Jim
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    And now Mueller's testimony before the House has been delayed. I'm guessing the Democrats are busy writing a whole new script now that Mueller is legally prohibited from saying that he established that Russia had any involvement in the election.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
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    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And now Mueller's testimony before the House has been delayed. I'm guessing the Democrats are busy writing a whole new script now that Mueller is legally prohibited from saying that he established that Russia had any involvement in the election.
    Yeah, we know, MM. It never even happened, it was all a deep state conspiracy. Just ask Putin.

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