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  • Judge blows a huge hole in the Mueller report

    The premise of the Mueller report from day one has always been "The Russians did it; we just have to find out if Trump was involved."

    Mueller even made a big splash when he indicted some Russian troll farms and accused them of working for the Kremlin. Except a judge recently ruled that Mueller (and in consequence his report) is not allowed to say that because he never actually proved it during the course of his investigation.


    In fact, a deep dive look into the Mueller report shows that his evidence for Russian interference is sketchy at best. Here's a summary:


    Short version: Not only did Trump not do it, but we can't even be certain the Russians did it, either!
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The premise of the Mueller report from day one has always been "The Russians did it; we just have to find out if Trump was involved."

    Mueller even made a big splash when he indicted some Russian troll farms and accused them of working for the Kremlin. Except a judge recently ruled that Mueller (and in consequence his report) is not allowed to say that because he never actually proved it during the course of his investigation.


    In fact, a deep dive look into the Mueller report shows that his evidence for Russian interference is sketchy at best. Here's a summary:


    Short version: Not only did Trump not do it, but we can't even be certain the Russians did it, either!
    Right!

    I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

    Jim
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-12-2019, 08:58 AM.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • #3
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      Right!

      I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

      Jim
      After reflecting on your thorough rebuttal and undeniable command of the facts, I am afraid I must concede.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Right!

        I would say you are a sucker for anything negative written about the Mueller report.

        Jim
        Kind of like you are for anything negative about Trump.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
          Kind of like you are for anything negative about Trump.
          I can understand how it could appear that way to a person that doesn't understand what Trump is

          Jim
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #6
            ox, if you have nothing of substance to contribute then I will ask you to leave the thread.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              I can understand how it could appear that way to a person that doesn't understand what Trump is

              Jim
              I suggest you buy this hat:

              https://www.teeshirtpalace.com/produ...SABEgJZb_D_BwE

              and wear it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                I suggest you buy this hat:

                https://www.teeshirtpalace.com/produ...SABEgJZb_D_BwE

                and wear it.
                I've been asked not to continue on this line.

                Jim
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • #9
                  And now Mueller's testimony before the House has been delayed. I'm guessing the Democrats are busy writing a whole new script now that Mueller is legally prohibited from saying that he established that Russia had any involvement in the election.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    And now Mueller's testimony before the House has been delayed. I'm guessing the Democrats are busy writing a whole new script now that Mueller is legally prohibited from saying that he established that Russia had any involvement in the election.
                    Yeah, we know, MM. It never even happened, it was all a deep state conspiracy. Just ask Putin.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                      Yeah, we know, MM. It never even happened, it was all a deep state conspiracy. Just ask Putin.
                      Is that why Mueller was almost held in contempt of court for falsely claiming that he had established a Russian connection?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Is that why Mueller was almost held in contempt of court for falsely claiming that he had established a Russian connection?
                        Yes MM. The whole thing, the wide spread and systematic interference campaign on the part of the Russians was naught but a deep state conspiracy. Just ask Putin.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Yes MM. The whole thing, the wide spread and systematic interference campaign on the part of the Russians was naught but a deep state conspiracy. Just ask Putin.
                          Last edited by Mountain Man; 07-14-2019, 08:20 AM.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            The premise of the Mueller report from day one has always been "The Russians did it; we just have to find out if Trump was involved."

                            Mueller even made a big splash when he indicted some Russian troll farms and accused them of working for the Kremlin. Except a judge recently ruled that Mueller (and in consequence his report) is not allowed to say that because he never actually proved it during the course of his investigation.


                            In fact, a deep dive look into the Mueller report shows that his evidence for Russian interference is sketchy at best. Here's a summary:


                            Short version: Not only did Trump not do it, but we can't even be certain the Russians did it, either!
                            There has been an update relating to your first link:



                            If one looks a bit closer (http://https://www.courthousenews.co...r-prosecution/)

                            What becomes apparent is that you - and the first link - have really mischaracterized what this is all about. You are trying to say that the judge is somehow saying officially that Mueller didn't show Russian interference in our elections, which on the surface seems quite at odds with independent intelligence reports from multiple agencies saying the Russians DID try it influence our elections.

                            What is actually going on with this judge's rebuke is that there is enough evidence for this company's (Concord) direct connection to trying to influence the election at the direction of the Russian governement that there has been an INDICTMENT and there is a TRIAL PENDING. Since that trial has not taken place. Mueller (and Barr) saying repeatedly and publicly that a connection HAS BEEN shown could create unavoidable prejudice in any jury and make a fair trial impossible. So he has been ordered not to make the claim again.

                            Source: courthouse news

                            Rule 57.7 prohibits lawyers from expressing opinion that would prejudice a case,

                            © Copyright Original Source



                            So this injunction has NOTHING to do with how much evidence exists showing the Russians interfered with our elections, but EVERYTHING to do with making sure an impartial Jury can be found for the TRIAL of Concord regarding their efforts in the Russian attempts to influence our elections.


                            Thus there is no real inconsistency between the assessments of our intelligence agencies, the Mueller report conclusions, and this Judge's injunction against Mueller. However, if the evidence is as strong as Mueller believes it to be, a conviction in this trial is expected and will take the Russian interference from being 'strongly implied by the evidence' to 'legally proven'.

                            Jim
                            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-15-2019, 07:46 AM.
                            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              There has been an update relating to your first link:



                              If one looks a bit closer (http://https://www.courthousenews.co...r-prosecution/)

                              What becomes apparent is that you - and the first link - have really mischaracterized what this is all about. You are trying to say that the judge is somehow saying officially that Mueller didn't show Russian interference in our elections, which on the surface seems quite at odds with independent intelligence reports from multiple agencies saying the Russians DID try it influence our elections.

                              What is actually going on with this judge's rebuke is that there is enough evidence for this company's (Concord) direct connection to trying to influence the election at the direction of the Russian governement that there has been an INDICTMENT and there is a TRIAL PENDING. Since that trial has not taken place. Mueller (and Barr) saying repeatedly and publicly that a connection HAS BEEN shown could create unavoidable prejudice in any jury and make a fair trial impossible. So he has been ordered not to make the claim again.

                              Source: courthouse news

                              Rule 57.7 prohibits lawyers from expressing opinion that would prejudice a case,

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              So this injunction has NOTHING to do with how much evidence exists showing the Russians interfered with our elections, but EVERYTHING to do with making sure an impartial Jury can be found for the TRIAL of Concord regarding their efforts in the Russian attempts to influence our elections.


                              Thus there is no real inconsistency between the assessments of our intelligence agencies, the Mueller report conclusions, and this Judge's injunction against Mueller. However, if the evidence is as strong as Mueller believes it to be, a conviction in this trial is expected and will take the Russian interference from being 'strongly implied by the evidence' to 'legally proven'.

                              Jim
                              Er, yes, it does. Mueller opened his case to the public without offering the proof. That either means he withheld it - which demands a why question - or he can't actually prove it. It's not a good thing for Mueller either way.

                              MM is likely right about the Dems rescheduling - this could damage their entire case. They need Mueller to speak publicly.
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