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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Lets see I get that seer would say something like that. And I'll give him a pass because he likes to troll. But you?

    One Bad Pig asked me why I considered this forum far-right, and I think he's slowly getting his answer.
    I really don't get mikewhitney. He's a vigorous supporter of the current Venezuelan regime, and there's this.

    FWIW, a couple posters don't make a forum far-right. A year ago, I'd have agreed with your assessment of the US Democratic and Republican parties as viewed from outside. However, a vocal wing of the Democratic Party has been sprinting left as of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    How come the democrats are pushing all these small groups as the primary areas of problems then?
    Not sure I follow this. What small groups and what problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean about all politics being about identity. It seems to be recent phenomena to hear so much division being promulgated.
    Politics is about gathering support in a political process to push forward initiatives that are for the benefit of some set of people. Those people can typically be identified by a characteristic they have in common.

    Democrats are strongly focused on minorities, women, and the poor (to name a few).
    Republicans are strongly focused on Christian religions, business people, and the unborn (to name a few).

    It's all "identity politics." The right is just better at painting the left with the "identity politics bad" brush, and the left is not highlighting that the right is equally about identity politics. I'm not sure why. Disorganized? Don't get it? Don't want to use those tactics? Possibly politically naive? All of the above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I really don't get mikewhitney. He's a vigorous supporter of the current Venezuelan regime, and there's this.

    FWIW, a couple posters don't make a forum far-right. A year ago, I'd have agreed with your assessment of the US Democratic and Republican parties as viewed from outside. However, a vocal wing of the Democratic Party has been sprinting left as of late.
    Perhaps its just because I prefer precise terminology. But you have to agree with me, the Democratic party isn't advocating Communism. There isn't really much to haggle or debate on that.

    You can be "more left-wing" whatever that means, except to say I guess you would understand it to mean "less in agreement with right-wing politics" without being a communist. I live in Denmark. Its fair to say our government is rather "left-wing" in comparison to yours. And the Democratic party in the US is further to the right, than our right-wing. Yet it would also be unfair to characterize Denmark as Communistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Perhaps its just because I prefer precise terminology. But you have to agree with me, the Democratic party isn't advocating Communism. There isn't really much to haggle or debate on that.

    You can be "more left-wing" whatever that means, except to say I guess you would understand it to mean "less in agreement with right-wing politics" without being a communist. I live in Denmark. Its fair to say our government is rather "left-wing" in comparison to yours. And the Democratic party in the US is further to the right, than our right-wing. Yet it would also be unfair to characterize Denmark as Communistic.
    Yeah, I wouldn't call it communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Repeating your assertion doesn't make it any truerer.
    Denying the phrase is historically racist doesnt change the simple fact it is.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/15/74182...-racist-tweets

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    ennifer Wingard, a University of Houston professor who has looked at rhetoric and immigrant communities, traces this sentiment at least to 1798, when the U.S. passed a series of laws — together known as the the Alien and Sedition Acts — that were aimed at making citizenship more difficult for immigrants and deportation easier for U.S. authorities to carry out.

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    To be fair, while I don't think there's any possible way to spin Trump's statement as not being racist, I also don't think he was intentionally using a KKK statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Yes, a link? What's this "Cultural" Marxism, and how does it differ from regular Marxism?
    The link is short and gives a general overview. Basically economic Marxism was not really catching on, so:

    In classical Marxism, the workers of the world were oppressed by the ruling classes. The new theory was that everyone in society was psychologically oppressed by the institutions of Western culture. The school concluded that this new focus would need new vanguards to spur the change. The workers were not able to rise up on their own.


    Critical Theory is a play on semantics. The theory was simple: criticize every pillar of Western culture—family, democracy, common law, freedom of speech, and others. The hope was that these pillars would crumble under the pressure.

    In his book, Marcuse argued that Western culture was inherently repressive because it gave up happiness for social progress.

    The book called for “polymorphous perversity,” a concept crafted by Freud. It posed the idea of sexual pleasure outside the traditional norms. Eros and Civilization would become very influential in shaping the sexual revolution of the 1960s.

    Marcuse would be the one to answer Horkheimer’s question from the 1930s: Who would replace the working class as the new vanguards of the Marxist revolution?

    Marcuse believed that it would be a victim coalition of minorities—blacks, women, and homosexuals.

    The social movements of the 1960s—black power, feminism, gay rights, sexual liberation—gave Marcuse a unique vehicle to release cultural Marxist ideas into the mainstream. Railing against all things “establishment,” The Frankfurt School’s ideals caught on like wildfire across American universities.
    Does any of the above look familiar concerning our present social movements Leonhard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Lets see I get that seer would say something like that. And I'll give him a pass because he likes to troll. But you?

    One Bad Pig asked me why I considered this forum far-right, and I think he's slowly getting his answer.

    Is the desire for freedom a far-right characteristic? The scale hardly means anything without definition. But the media uses 'far-right' to describe anything that doesn't conform to destructive leftist doctrine. The democrats promote unsustainable political control of healthcare and promotes excessive taxation. They are promoting unhindered migration with the apparent intent of dilution of American Constitutional protections and culture/continuity. (This continuity and culture is not anyways racist -- I say this for those who assume the contrary).
    The democrats and media are polarizing the nation ... making it seem like freedom, and free speech are evil.

    There are big cultural changes that conservatives wish to stop. Someone posted about free speech being seen as violence but violence against other views is seen as free speech. How can we correct this way of radical violent views? This type of radical reaction is promoted by Communists -- who seek to cause artificial divisions seeing that people in America don't have sufficient concern about the 'desired' division of rich and poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Denying the phrase is historically racist doesnt change the simple fact it is.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/15/74182...-racist-tweets

    Source: npr

    ennifer Wingard, a University of Houston professor who has looked at rhetoric and immigrant communities, traces this sentiment at least to 1798, when the U.S. passed a series of laws — together known as the the Alien and Sedition Acts — that were aimed at making citizenship more difficult for immigrants and deportation easier for U.S. authorities to carry out.

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    Yeah, that's not racism. Anti-immigrant, depending on intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    The link is short and gives a general overview. Basically economic Marxism was not really catching on, so:
    "Economic Marxism" as opposed to "Marxism"?

    If it isn't about class struggles, and the problems inherent in capitalism, then how is it Marxism?

    Does any of the above look familiar concerning our present social movements Leonhard?
    I can't believe that website is new. It looks like something pulled off the internet back in the early days when you could recognize a crank by the alternating fonts, the many capitalized sentences. The typesetting alone hurts my eyes way too much to spend a lot of time on it, but I think what you're looking at is just a conspiracy theory article. It seems to be a popular conspiracy theory for far-right conservatives.

    I'm sorry also if my tone becomes a little cold. The last person in Scandinavia who raved a lot about Cultural Marxism and its influences decided to take it upon himself to kill over a 100 left wingers. Anders Breivik.

    If you can explain to me what Cultural Marxism is, using your own words. I'll try to be neutral, and fair.

    But honestly I think you've just fallen for a conspiracy theory seer.


    (Here is Mr Breivik, trolling people in court. You like trolling right seer?)

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