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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Hey Jim, there wasn't any actual evidence that they actually contacted the North Vietnamese, it was all innuendo - if you think otherwise post the quotes.
    Like I said, you obviously didn't read the article. There are hand written notes from H.R. Haldeman, notes which were taken during a phone call to Nixon, FBI tapes of intercepted calls between Nixon aide Anna Chenault and the S. Vietnamese ambassador. Both the notes and the taped phone calls indicated that Nixon new and was directing his aides in the secret endeavor. He also tried to get a Chinese businessman involved and had his VP running mate, Spiro Agnew attempt to get Taiwanese president Chiang Kai Shek involved.

    This info was declassified in 2007.

    You didn't read it, did you? Nixon was not only a crook, he was a treasonous crook, and would have sacrificed the lives of as many soldiers as it took if it helped him win the election. Bet you still like him though, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Stop your pity party. I don't hate you, and I doubt anyone else here does.


    Instead of taking on board what people are saying about how you express your views, you're deflecting it as an attack on you. That allows you to feel justified in your own eyes, and ignore the substantive points being made. You are the one who expresses your disdain and moral superiority to others in almost every post you make in Civics. Teal documented it, I pointed it out to you in the thread from last month, numerous others have pointed it out.

    You see yourself as calling others to consider their moral position, but everyone else sees what you post as a general attack on them for 'supporting evil'.

    Own what you post, bro. Despite your good intentions the effect is to make others feel insulted and morally judged.


    I will evaluate what Trump (or anyone else) says or does on the basis of fair and objective analysis of the actual facts. That is my duty as a follower of Jesus.

    I won't rush to judgment, or judge uncharitably, or allow myself to be pressured into a judgment by attempts to coerce me, or manipulate me by suggesting that I must agree if I am a truly moral Christian. That is my duty as a follower of Jesus.
    Oh, you all are just completeky full of hatred. And you have all joined the ranks of cyber bullies around the world. I said I think you are each doing something wrong. And in response you had to attack. As a mob, as a group you have torn into me for page after page.

    This is the dynamic that produces suicides. Do you realize that? It is pure evil.

    I always wonder why kids that get sucked ihto this sort of thing dont just leave. But these people are supposed to be friends. But im intelligent enough to kbow i must leave this toxic, hate filled place.

    Good bye. I hope you can live with the path you have chosen. But Im done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Oh, you all are just completeky full of hatred. And you have all joined the ranks of cyber bullies around the world. I said I think you are each doing something wrong. And in response you had to attack. As a mob, as a group you have torn into me for page after page.

    This is the dynamic that produces suicides. Do you realize that? It is pure evil.

    I always wonder why kids that get sucked ihto this sort of thing dont just leave. But these people are supposed to be friends. But im intelligent enough to kbow i must leave this toxic, hate filled place.

    Good bye. I hope you can live with the path you have chosen. But Im done here.

    Jim
    Stick around Jim, you are one of the few people of integrity among the theists here. They only gang-up because of their own insecurities and doubts about their own position. It's called 'group-think' in psychology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But, but, but.... that doesn't support the extreme-lefty conspiracy theory nuttery! Trump is going to declare himself King...
    Yeah! I mean, we know he's "legit." He'll surely be "too legit to quit!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Stick around Jim, you are one of the few people of integrity among the theists here. They only gang-up because of their own insecurities and doubts about their own position. It's called 'group-think' in psychology.
    Jim, you write some very good posts with some very strong points and you have an integrity that is not often seen these places. I think it is quite obvious from the reactions you are getting (unfair as some of them are) that you are challenging their way of thinking.
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    You need to give up the persecution complex, because it is seriously affecting your judgement and ability to rationally interact with others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I might also recommend that you approach these discussions with a new paradigm:

    1) President Trump is not the devil.
    2) Christians can, in good conscience, support the President without compromising our core values.

    1) This is clearly a straw man.
    2) Mere assertion does not help your case. Ox has taken part in many discusssions in which he has given his reasons why you cannot support Trump in certain cases. What you present here is a hand wave of all that. Indeed, it should be obvious to any Christian, that you cannot support any person in everything they do. For Ox to point out where thinks that line should be drawn has got nothing at all to do with identifying Trump with the devil.
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Like I said, you obviously didn't read the article. There are hand written notes from H.R. Haldeman, notes which were taken during a phone call to Nixon, FBI tapes of intercepted calls between Nixon aide Anna Chenault and the S. Vietnamese ambassador. Both the notes and the taped phone calls indicated that Nixon new and was directing his aides in the secret endeavor. He also tried to get a Chinese businessman involved and had his VP running mate, Spiro Agnew attempt to get Taiwanese president Chiang Kai Shek involved.

    This info was declassified in 2007.

    You didn't read it, did you? Nixon was not only a crook, he was a treasonous crook, and would have sacrificed the lives of as many soldiers as it took if it helped him win the election. Bet you still like him though, right?
    What exactly was said Jim, be specific. And phone calls "indicated" - where is Nixon actually saying anything? But you said that Nixon actually got more Marines killed - that is false, your own article said there was no serious peace plan in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But, but, but.... that doesn't support the extreme-lefty conspiracy theory nuttery! Trump is going to declare himself King...
    Posts have gone far beyond the topic.

    Based on Trump's history and his own personal testimony Trump is a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    Stick around Jim, you are one of the few people of integrity among the theists here. They only gang-up because of their own insecurities and doubts about their own position. It's called 'group-think' in psychology.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckles View Post
    Jim, you write some very good posts with some very strong points and you have an integrity that is not often seen these places. I think it is quite obvious from the reactions you are getting (unfair as some of them are) that you are challenging their way of thinking.
    Yes, Jim, don't go, the anti-Christian bigots love you!

    (If that's not a wake-up call, then I'm not sure what is.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Stick around Jim, you are one of the few people of integrity among the theists here. They only gang-up because of their own insecurities and doubts about their own position. It's called 'group-think' in psychology.
    There you go Jim, high praise from about the most anti-Christian bigot on this site. Well done brother...
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  12. Amen MaxVel, Teallaura, RumTumTugger, Cerebrum123 amen'd this post.

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