Trump proves he’s a racist.

[JimL]

There is no curtain - or filter!

That's what you think, because you're not looking. There are none so blind as he who refuses to see.

[KingsGambit]

I own a copy of Green Eggs and Ham. I don't even want to know what that means.

[Cow Poke]

I own a copy of Green Eggs and Ham. I don't even want to know what that means.

I KNEW it! And Rogue has a Rebel Flag on the back wall of his garage!

[Cow Poke]

That's what you think, because you're not looking. There are none so blind as he who refuses to see.

You're doing that adorable little court jester thing.

[oxmixmudd]

As it has been pointed out, Trump didn’t approve either, but she is a Jew hater so following your own logic, you must hate Jews too.

You are not using logic there pix. You can pretend trump didnt spend several days stoking the fire against her in tweets, and you can pretend he didnt stand there soaking in the fruit of his efforts for 13 seconds, and you can pretend he didnt mock the entire episode in his 'apology' if you want to, but the reality is Trump caused it, worked hard to get it, and enjoyed it.


As for the statements made by the congresswoman herself, i tend to be about as much against them as you or Trump. So I'm ckearly not a 'jew hater'

You mean like trying to assassinate sitting members of Congress?
Like firebombing a government ran facility?
Beating a reporter and his cameraman, half to death?
Rioting across the country, destroying and looting your own community.

Those Trump supporters are full of hate, wait those were democrats that did that stuff. Using your own logic, why do you support their violence?



Yet it’s been democrats doing all the violence, but you support them so...

There is plenty of hate to go around pix. And plenty of conservative and Trump encouraged violence as well. That is why it is so irresponsible for Trump to do what he did on twitter and at that rally. What he is doing is raising the hatred and fear levels in this country, which will cause more violence on ALL sides.

Jim

[One Bad Pig]

Except that the post you picked had no ad hominem directed at you. <AH> just means that section of text was directed at me as an insult or to tear down my character, intelligence etc. I cut those out now before I reply. It mskes it much easier to see the point made, if any. Of course if after editing for <AH> there is nothing left, tgen I just put
a shrug.

Youll notice I dont edit out points made about things other than me regardless of whether or not I think they are stupid, silly, or wrong.

Jim

Criticism isn't ad hominem if it's accurate.

[rogue06]

I KNEW it! And Rogue has a Rebel Flag on the back wall of his garage!

I ain't even got a garage

[Teallaura]

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I'm saying that as each of you compromises what you profess to believe in in order to support Trump (for whatever reason you believe yourselves justified in doing so) we are watching the same mechanism that allowed Hitler to gain power. What is preventing a Hitler from rising on your grievances in these circumstances is our system of checks and balances, perhaps Trump not having the same goals or nature of Hitler. But as far as what it would take to stop a Hitler in terms of the population refusing to go along with immoral activity or abusive or racist behavior even if they are promised some short term gain, you all are behaving exactly as would be required. You simply will not stand against Trump when he does bad things for fear you will give the Dems or MSM some ground. He knows that because of that, he can do almost anything and he will not lose you. You prove it day after day. Your hatred of the Dems and the MSM are allowing him to be whatever he wants to be, to take this country wherever he wants to take it, no matter how low he goes, you are all right there with him.

I just hope that there is a limit to how far you will follow him.


Jim

*emphasis mine

First snd foremost, your charcterization of the situation with Trump is wrong. What Im looking at and responding to are specific situations, specific policies. When Donald Trump at his rally does a specific thing that is reprehensible and I bring that thing up, then in almost every single case since i started posting in this forum, there are long dand heated defenses of those actions.

and when thst horrible thing he hss done is contrary to basic Christisn tesching, i will point out the moral conflict of supporting that action as a Christian.

So what happens if one of you brings up some other public figure that might have also done something like the thing Trump has done? Do I defend that public figure in that action? Geherally NO. Only if it is clear the accusation itself is false. Abd a lot of the time it isnt false, so you have me on record saying things like hillary's actions with the email server were wrong and I would not defend her with that any more than I would defend Trump's explicit callout to the Russians for help finding deleted emails.

What you cant see teal is that my standards are the same for all. Where the conflict comes into play is that for Donald Trump, the TWEB Christian Trump support chorus is willing to look the other way for him on matters that would have resulted in vocal and vigorous opposition where it almost anyone else.

And so it appears to that chorus I am always against Trump. But the reality is that the chorus here nearly always supports Trump no matter how vile his action. And Trump does a lot of openly vike things. And so we are always in conflict, because I will not support ANYONE doing the sorts of vile things Trump does on an almost daily basis.

Jim

You - by your OWN words - condemn yourself. If there is no quarter given, so be it - but remember that you chose this tactic. You refuse to acknowledge that maybe we might not all be deluded, evil fools - that maybe we might see something you don't. Okay then - shoe on the other foot.

Trump is the only shot we've had at overturning Roe - a decision that has cost MORE lives than the Holocaust's highest estimate. To attempt to destroy that opportunity directly aids a continuation of the status quo and the continuing murder of the unborn. When you undermine Trump, you support abortion - in my estimate, you are the one doing something vile.

You keep lumping anyone who says you might be wrong as a Trump supporter - and several (like OBP) aren't. Others are more tepid supporters, possibly including myself. Only a few were Trump all the way from the beginning - but because you refuse to acknowledge that the man isn't evil incarnate you accuse falsely absolutely everyone with being either deluded or flat out evil.

I support Trump now because of his appointments to the courts and to the Court itself - BECAUSE it is PAST time we END ABORTION. PERIOD. I don't give a rats backside what idiotic things he tweets or how racist you think he is unless you can DEMONSTRATE that there is an actual crime or serious problem. You not liking Trump does not interest me. I only care that we ELIMINATE abortion.

Applying your logic to you as you have applied it to me, you are obstructing the only real path we have to eliminating one of the greatest evils in American history therefore you must be a supporter of that evil. As a Christian, that very much brings your morality into question.

Or we could just reason without the hate spewing rhetoric - but thus far, you keep choosing the hate and wondering why everyone pushes back so hard.

[Teallaura]

I ain't even got a garage

<sound of rubber peeling>

[Teallaura]

I own a copy of Green Eggs and Ham. I don't even want to know what that means.

[lilpixieofterror]

You are not using logic there pix. You can pretend trump didnt spend several days stoking the fire against her in tweets, and you can pretend he didnt stand there soaking in the fruit of his efforts for 13 seconds, and you can pretend he didnt mock the entire episode in his 'apology' if you want to, but the reality is Trump caused it, worked hard to get it, and enjoyed it.

I love Jim logic, where his logic only applies to those he disagrees with and he refuses to see his sword cuts his own head off too. The democrats have been quite busy doing the same things themselves, but who cares because ‘TRUMP!!!!’ right? You’ve become what you hate, an hysterical mess believing tin foil hat conspiracy theories vs facts. Fact is, one side wants to transform America into a socialist wasteland and one side doesn’t. I’ll choose the side that won’t have my children waiting in bread lines and eating pets to survive while the elite live in gated communities, living off their toils.

As for the statements made by the congresswoman herself, i tend to be about as much against them as you or Trump. So I'm ckearly not a 'jew hater'

That’s not how your logic works, you must either condemn everything they ever said or did or you totally support them. There’s no in between. What do you pick?

There is plenty of hate to go around pix. And plenty of conservative and Trump encouraged violence as well. That is why it is so irresponsible for Trump to do what he did on twitter and at that rally. What he is doing is raising the hatred and fear levels in this country, which will cause more violence on ALL sides.

And yet while I can find condemning and rejecting of conservatives condemning actions done by their crazies, I can’t find the same in reverse or have to dig much more to find for liberals, Why?

[Cow Poke]

I ain't even got a garage

I can always count on you for the proper response.

There are 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

[rogue06]

I can always count on you for the proper response.

There are 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

Hit it!

[Sparko]

I own a copy of Green Eggs and Ham. I don't even want to know what that means.

It means you don't have any

[oxmixmudd]

I love Jim logic, where his logic only applies to those he disagrees with and he refuses to see his sword cuts his own head off too. The democrats have been quite busy doing the same things themselves, but who cares because ‘TRUMP!!!!’ right? You’ve become what you hate, an hysterical mess believing tin foil hat conspiracy theories vs facts. Fact is, one side wants to transform America into a socialist wasteland and one side doesn’t. I’ll choose the side that won’t have my children waiting in bread lines and eating pets to survive while the elite live in gated communities, living off their toils.

You realize your just off the rails because you don't like my criticism of Trump. Why don't you stop with the absurd over generalizations and just deal with the issues as the come up one at a time? It really is silly for you to spend all this time trying to paint me personally as a big bad ogre rather than just dealing with the issues themselves.

There is literally nothing in your post that isn't just a rant on my character. So I'll be holding to the <AH> synopsis from now on with you, until and unless you can find something better to talk about than your personal beef with me.

Feel free to rant on about how horrible I am - I'm sure it will make the others that feel the same way happy. But I will be ignoring any such content completely from this point forward.


Jim