Trump proves he’s a racist.

[Leonhard]

Leonhard, those quotes were accurate, this is not an unknown concept. Sure nuts can use anything to justify their violence.

Listen, seer, if you wanna talk about it feel free. But argument by weblink is not something I'm interested in.

[carpedm9587]

No, all politics is about power. Identity is just the latest trend in window dressing.

Politics are an exercise in power - no doubt about it. But it is always on behalf of an identifiable group.

If you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.

[seer]

The fact you are ignorant of history and the use of the phrase "go back where they came from" does not change the facts surrounding its historical use and the implications of its use by Trump.

Jim

Again Jim was the term we used in the 60s, "America, love it or leave it" racist? If I told an America hating Russian immigrant to go back where he came from - racist?

[seer]

If you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.

How about a particular set of values or ideals?

[carpedm9587]

Again Jim was the term we used in the 60s, "America, love it or leave it" racist? If I told an America hating Russian immigrant to go back where he came from - racist?

"America, love it or leave it" is a generic statement applicable to the entire population.
"Go back where you came from" is a specific statement aimed at an individual or group that is deemed an "outsider."

This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

[carpedm9587]

How about a particular set of values or ideals?

Vague. Give me a concrete example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people. Then you can make the case that politics is not always about identity. I don't see how you can do it. There is no political position/movement/concept that wasn't conceived because someone(s) somewhere had a need. If no group is experiencing a need - then there is no need to wield political power.

[seer]

Listen, seer, if you wanna talk about it feel free. But argument by weblink is not something I'm interested in.

Leonhard, if you have some free time listen to Jordan.

[Mountain Man]

As I said to MM, "go back where they came from" is racist (and anti-immigration) rhetoric that has been in common use from before the KKK was formed.

For Trump to use it and double down on it can really lead to no other conclusion.


Jim

Stop believing the fake news lies. Trump never said "go back where they came from". Here's what he actually said:

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ich-they-came/

Again, this is clearly a political statement and not a racist one.

[Mountain Man]

Trump said "they can go back where they came from"...

No, he didn't.

[Leonhard]

Leonhard, if you have some free time listen to Jordan.

I've already got Marie Konde's works if I need tips on cleaning my room. I've only read a bit of Jordan Peterson, and I've only come back with an impression that

1) He's a postmodernist and doesn't realize it.
B) He doesn't have a clue what postmodernism is.
III) His book Maps of Meaning is a mess.

[Teallaura]

Politics are an exercise in power - no doubt about it. But it is always on behalf of an identifiable group.

If you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.

*emphasis mine

You just affirmed my position - politics is about power.

[Mountain Man]

The fact you are ignorant of history and the use of the phrase "go back where they came from" does not change the facts surrounding its historical use and the implications of its use by Trump.

Jim

The fact is that Trump never said "go back where they came from".

[seer]

Vague. Give me a concrete example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people. Then you can make the case that politics is not always about identity. I don't see how you can do it. There is no political position/movement/concept that wasn't conceived because someone(s) somewhere had a need.

Carp, I'm not sure what you mean, yes politics effect people, but I don't argue for specific groups - black, white, brown, yellow. But for policies that broadly help all groups and races.

[Darth Executor]

"America, love it or leave it" is a generic statement applicable to the entire population.
"Go back where you came from" is a specific statement aimed at an individual or group that is deemed an "outsider."

This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

What is wrong with telling outsiders who hate a country and actively work against the interests of its people to go back to their countries of origin?

[oxmixmudd]

The fact is that Trump never said "go back where they came from".

Here is the exact quote

Source: Trump

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.

© Copyright Original Source

I guess you think because he suggested a job for them while they are there it makes it 'better'?

Jim