Trump proves he’s a racist.

[Mountain Man]

And naive people like you, CP, MM, Sparko et al defended Hitler too, until it was to late.

False. I've never defended Hitler.

[oxmixmudd]

Jim,

I really wish YOU would think about the comparison you're making. I know you're quite sincere in making it, but frankly that says more about you than our current political situation. We are not Wiemar Germany. Not. Even. Close.

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I'm saying that as each of you compromises what you profess to believe in in order to support Trump (for whatever reason you believe yourselves justified in doing so) we are watching the same mechanism that allowed Hitler to gain power. What is preventing a Hitler from rising on your grievances in these circumstances is our system of checks and balances, perhaps Trump not having the same goals or nature of Hitler. But as far as what it would take to stop a Hitler in terms of the population refusing to go along with immoral activity or abusive or racist behavior even if they are promised some short term gain, you all are behaving exactly as would be required. You simply will not stand against Trump when he does bad things for fear you will give the Dems or MSM some ground. He knows that because of that, he can do almost anything and he will not lose you. You prove it day after day. Your hatred of the Dems and the MSM are allowing him to be whatever he wants to be, to take this country wherever he wants to take it, no matter how low he goes, you are all right there with him.

I just hope that there is a limit to how far you will follow him.


Jim

[seer]

False. I've never defended Hitler.

Wait, I thought Trump was Hitler!

[Cow Poke]

Wait, I thought Trump was Hitler!

Trump is the Orange version.

[oxmixmudd]

You mean like Democrats vigorously defending the racists and anti-Semites in their own party?

As I have said many times MM, we have to stand for what is right. I am not justifying the Democrats defense of racists. I am condemning the Republicans for defending their racist president.

In other threads, I have raised my concerns about AOC and 'the squad'. I am as concerned about them as I am Trump - except that they are NOT Potus. They are freshman and simply don't (yet?) have the power or influence Trump does as POTUS.

The Democrats really need to be careful though, because AOC and the squad will NEVER defeat Trump. They are far to far left and if they let them drive the party and party policy then the Dems have lost to fanatics just as the Republicans have and it will be yet another rock and hard-place election where we can go with either hard socialism or white nationalism/facism. And the ideals of the Republic as it was formed will be far to close to annihilation than they should ever have come.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I'm saying that as each of you compromises what you profess to believe in in order to support Trump (for whatever reason you believe yourselves justified in doing so) we are watching the same mechanism that allowed Hitler to gain power. What is preventing a Hitler from rising on your grievances in these circumstances is our system of checks and balances, perhaps Trump not having the same goals or nature of Hitler. But as far as what it would take to stop a Hitler in terms of the population refusing to go along with immoral activity or abusive or racist behavior even if they are promised some short term gain, you all are behaving exactly as would be required. You simply will not stand against Trump when he does bad things for fear you will give the Dems or MSM some ground. He knows that because of that, he can do almost anything and he will not lose you. You prove it day after day. Your hatred of the Dems and the MSM are allowing him to be whatever he wants to be, to take this country wherever he wants to take it, no matter how low he goes, you are all right there with him.

I just hope that there is a limit to how far you will follow him.


Jim

These hysterics do nothing to make you seem like a reasoned, rational person.

You need to start with different premises:

1) Trump is not the devil.
2) Christians can, in good conscience, support him without compromising their core values.

[One Bad Pig]

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I'm saying that as each of you compromises what you profess to believe in in order to support Trump (for whatever reason you believe yourselves justified in doing so) we are watching the same mechanism that allowed Hitler to gain power. What is preventing a Hitler from rising on your grievances in these circumstances is our system of checks and balances, perhaps Trump not having the same goals or nature of Hitler. But as far as what it would take to stop a Hitler in terms of the population refusing to go along with immoral activity or abusive or racist behavior even if they are promised some short term gain, you all are behaving exactly as would be required. You simply will not stand against Trump when he does bad things for fear you will give the Dems or MSM some ground. He knows that because of that, he can do almost anything and he will not lose you. You prove it day after day. Your hatred of the Dems and the MSM are allowing him to be whatever he wants to be, to take this country wherever he wants to take it, no matter how low he goes, you are all right there with him.

I just hope that there is a limit to how far you will follow him.


Jim

Jim, those are some rather vile accusations you're leveling against ME. Do you see that?

[lilpixieofterror]

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I'm saying that as each of you compromises what you profess to believe in in order to support Trump (for whatever reason you believe yourselves justified in doing so) we are watching the same mechanism that allowed Hitler to gain power. What is preventing a Hitler from rising on your grievances in these circumstances is our system of checks and balances, perhaps Trump not having the same goals or nature of Hitler. But as far as what it would take to stop a Hitler in terms of the population refusing to go along with immoral activity or abusive or racist behavior even if they are promised some short term gain, you all are behaving exactly as would be required. You simply will not stand against Trump when he does bad things for fear you will give the Dems or MSM some ground. He knows that because of that, he can do almost anything and he will not lose you. You prove it day after day. Your hatred of the Dems and the MSM are allowing him to be whatever he wants to be, to take this country wherever he wants to take it, no matter how low he goes, you are all right there with him.

I just hope that there is a limit to how far you will follow him.


Jim

And comments like this is why fewer and fewer refuse to discuss Trump with you. You’re hysterical.

[Bill the Cat]

And comments like this is why fewer and fewer refuse to discuss Trump with you. You’re hysterical.

1) Trump is personally a moral reprobate and we do not support his personal failures
2) Trump's current policies are mostly in line with conservative thought so we can support them.

He refuses to see that both propositions can be true at the same time.

[oxmixmudd]

These hysterics do nothing to make you seem like a reasoned, rational person.

You need to start with different premises:

1) Trump is not the devil.
2) Christians can, in good conscience, support him without compromising their core values.

It is not hysterics MM. Trump is riding the low road like no other. He encouraged and roused up mob mentality against these congresswomen at his latest rally. I can't emphasize enough how irresponsible that kind of behavior is. To encourage that much raw hatred in a mob of people has not been seen often in our day. And everyone that has done it has been a very, very bad person and his followers have done very bad things. You just can't get that many people hating that much and there not be consequences.

And defending that sort of thing just isn't rational, or good.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

And comments like this is why fewer and fewer refuse to discuss Trump with you. You’re hysterical.

No - but you are duped. Why would any of you support someone that would in a rally encourage and bask in getting the entire crowd to express vocal and frenzied hatred of congresswomen he happens to disagree with?

Think about the kind of person that can do that - think about how much hatred you would have to have to purposefully get people that riled up against fellow human beings.

Do you guys not understand how dangerous that is? Do you not understand what a mob mentality is, and how much destruction and death tends to come from it?


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Jim, those are some rather vile accusations you're leveling against ME. Do you see that?

You can see it as a vile accusation or as a wake-up call. It's your choice. I am not targeting any specific person here, but there us a fundamental moral reality that is in play here:

All that is required for Evil to succeed is for good men to remain silent.

And I see most Trump supporters that say they don't like Trump himself as fitting that description. They will not speak against the bad things Trump is doing.

How about condemning Trumps actions when they are vile rather than supporting those actions because you like some of his policies?

Don't you realize that if you (Trump supporters) refuse to accept Trumps hateful acts you can change this? Here's a question: Will Trump still fight for the policies you want if Trump supporters stop supporting his vile actions?

What does it mean if he wont?

It is possible you (Trump supporters) won't challenge his hateful acts because you are afraid he will stop being for those things if you don't?



Jim

[rogue06]

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I'll take that as a tacit admission that you were being considerably less than truthful when you claimed that his disapproval ratings have gone up when in fact they actually have dropped a bit.

[mikewhitney]

As I have said many times MM, we have to stand for what is right. I am not justifying the Democrats defense of racists. I am condemning the Republicans for defending their racist president.

In other threads, I have raised my concerns about AOC and 'the squad'. I am as concerned about them as I am Trump - except that they are NOT Potus. They are freshman and simply don't (yet?) have the power or influence Trump does as POTUS.

The Democrats really need to be careful though, because AOC and the squad will NEVER defeat Trump. They are far to far left and if they let them drive the party and party policy then the Dems have lost to fanatics just as the Republicans have and it will be yet another rock and hard-place election where we can go with either hard socialism or white nationalism/facism. And the ideals of the Republic as it was formed will be far to close to annihilation than they should ever have come.


Jim

I think the thing that would help stop a Hitler-type situation is if the Democrats and media would stop demonizing the duly-elected President. The Democrats and MSM have been promoting division to no end. They wanted to impeach the President before he had even taken office. So you are saying the Dems will continue trying to promote fascism. We saw how Kavanaugh was slandered to no end and the Dems were fuming afterwards. I don't know how come all this garbage gets so easily forgotten.

You are so readily programmed to use the Hitler designation about Trump when there has been nothing like that in the Trump presidency. It seems to me (and my true concern is) that you, and so many other people, are convinced that there is similarity to Nazism/Fascism. Don't you know that it is Communists that had the complaint against the Nazi socialism? It is this gullibility to MSM propaganda that makes me nervous about your view. Such gullibility is what would allow some dictator-minded successor to Trump to gain power. You (and the MSM) having been crying wolf. Wait until the real wolf comes in ...to see how we fare as a nation.

[seer]

It is possible you (Trump supporters) won't challenge his hateful acts because you are afraid he will stop being for those things if you don't?

Jim

No, that if we jump on the hate Trump bandwagon he may lose the next election. Second, we refuse to let the left and the media characterize him. To define the terms.