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  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    All I can say is that the things you have highlighted are so utterly tame compared to what has been directed my way that I would hope you never have to deal with yourself in a web page debate.

    Jim
    You have no idea how you come across, Jim. That much is apparent from this belabored attempt at self-justification. "But they're doing it WORSE" - even if accurate - is not grounds for legitimizing your attacks here. So much for Teal's hard work.
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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      No idiot I didn't like him because he was a crook. I was in the military at the time, and Nixon treated us very good. Most of the people I know who still liked him were ex military.
      Apparently you missed my post. Nixon, was not only a crook, but when running for president, he secretly negotiated with the N.Vietnamese not to end the war until after the election in order to boost his chances of winning and in so doing caused the unnecessary deaths of many more of your beloved Marines. So, I'll ask again, do you still like Nixon?

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Hitler had to be elected as well, until he made himself Fuhrer. And btw, only 30% of the electorate voted for him.
        that''s just liberal fear mongering. If Trump was going to sieze control of the country he would have done it by now.

        What I think about this rumor that he won't leave office if defeated in the next election is that the Democrats are setting the stage for cheating in the next election so that they can claim victory that isn't theirs and then if Trump complains they can say "See? we were right! he won't leave office!"

        If Trump is defeated (fairly) in the next election, or after he finishes he next term, if he tried not to leave, he would be escorted out of the White House in hand cuffs.

        So I wonder if the "trick" the democrats are planning is hanging chads again?

        Or... maybe the whole conspiracy to defeat the electoral college by stealing the votes of people in various states that are in that idiotic voting alliance? I can see that going to the Supreme Court. If a state's popular vote went for Trump but that state gave it's electoral votes to the Democrat because of that alliance, those citizens would rightly be ticked off.

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        • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          You have no idea how you come across, Jim. That much is apparent from this belabored attempt at self-justification. "But they're doing it WORSE" - even if accurate - is not grounds for legitimizing your attacks here. So much for Teal's hard work.
          Per your first sentence - i would gues that is true of nearly everyone, but it is far easier to percieve in the other fellow. Sometimes I go back and review what i have written and am surprised at how harsh it sounds after I've had a few days to forget whatever motivated a response.

          And I am constantly looking for ways to express ideas in ways that communicate without inflaming a conversation

          One thing that I think really helps but can only be seen in my posts the last week or two is removing the attack portion of a post before I respond to it. It is amazing how much harder it is not to respond in kind if while working on a reply whatever harsh words were said are sitting in front of you the entire time a reply is being composed.

          So while I can only try to change myself, I would encourage you ( and anyone else reading this) to go back and look at your own replies and see if you dont see something about yourselves you might also change that can rachet down the general hostility level found in these forums.

          If we all can see that element in ourselves and can work on creating a more civil atmosphere and culture for discussion, it can only make things better overall.

          Jim
          Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2019, 07:53 AM.
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            Do you realize how many posts you have devoted to how horrible i am teal?

            But it's not just you. It seems to be the TWEB civics pass-time these days.

            Jim
            She's only holding up a mirror to your own logic and responses, but it seems you are incapable of understanding that.

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            • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
              She's only holding up a mirror to your own logic and responses, but it seems you are incapable of understanding that.
              I think, rather, he just doesn't like what he sees and is desperately trying to justify his own hypocrisy.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                She's only holding up a mirror to your own logic and responses, but it seems you are incapable of understanding that.
                C - do you know what it is like to have the majority of the people on a forum telling you how bad you are in every single post written? Not that an idea you've had is bad, not that something you said was inaccurate, but that you yourself are bad, bad , bad. Over and over and over again. That is something I more and more work hard not to do, to not say something like you just said to me. To not directly attack the character or morals of the other person.

                What I find though is that most people dont seem to be able to differentiate between saying "this idea is bad" and "you are bad".

                And so I dont really yet have a set of tools that can avoid inflaming a conversation, although perhaps just being more clear about making that difference explicit may help.

                It does seem that any attempt to defend against the constant attacks on me as a person only serves to escalate hostility. So Im just not even going to try anymore.

                Maybe one day you can see the difference between saying an idea is bad and saying the person is bad. And ill try to be as clear as possible Im focussing on an idea, not a person in my replies.

                Jim
                Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2019, 08:17 AM.
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  What I have a very hard time doing is watching so many defend what Trump said, or laugh at the people he said it about.

                  To support Trump it seems is to lose pieces of one's humanity. I've watched it happen day after day on TWEB over the course of his presidency. Each day he takes another step into the mud, and each day people drop another piece of their soul and follow him in.


                  Jim
                  *emphasis mine

                  The above it the very first post you made in this thread. In it, you claim those who support Trump ARE LOSING THEIR HUMANITY and that they are DROPPING PIECES OF THEIR SOULS!

                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  Per your first sentence - i would gues that is true of nearly everyone, but it is far easier to percieve in the other fellow. Sometimes I go back and review what i have written and am surprised at how harsh it sounds after I've had a few days to forget whatever motivated a response.

                  And I am constantly looking for ways to express ideas in ways that communicate without inflaming a conversation
                  You are doing a terrible job so far. Making LITERALLY dehumanizing allegations, accusations of following down 'the Nazi path' and strong implications of Nazi like leanings - oh, and let's not forget calling people's CHRISTIAN FAITH into question because they simply DO NOT agree with you.

                  One thing that I think really helps but can only be seen in my posts the last week or two is removing the attack portion of a post before I respond to it. It is amazing how much harder it is not to respond in kind if while working on a reply whatever harsh words were said are sitting in front of you the entire time a reply is being composed.
                  Trust me, it is not noticeable. I hope it's true but I see ZERO evidence.


                  So while I can only try to change myself, I would encourage you ( and anyone else reading this) to go back and look at your own replies and see if you dont see something about yourselves you might also change that can rachet down the general hostility level found in these forums.
                  FIRST get that 2x4 out of your eye - THEN we'll worry about someone else's.

                  If we all can see that element in ourselves and can work on creating a more civil atmosphere and culture for discussion, it can only make things better overall.

                  Jim
                  NO. First and foremost, this isn't Biblical - YOUR personal compliance with Paul's admonitions are between you and God. If and when there is a noticeable effect, God is perfectly capable of making us see it - and, despite your own theory, I doubt we're nearly as blind as those God has healed (take that in both senses).

                  Second, it is far past time you lead by example. You want to see US change, then take a good, hard look at the vicious, callous and uncharitable way YOU treat others - and FIX IT. Show, don't tell.

                  And finally, before you even think about defending yourself from the vicious, callous and uncharitable part, look very closely at your FIRST POST in this thread. Claiming others are losing their humanity is ALL THREE of THOSE THINGS. Stop provoking attacks and most of them will stop happening.




                  Okay, one small point more. Shuny hates my guts and we never see eye to eye yet he has treated me much better in this thread than you have. We argue, but to his credit, not once has he demeaned me in this thread - and it's honestly rare for him to do that at all. (Patronize, yep, but not demean.)
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                  • Originally posted by mountain man View Post
                    <AH>
                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                      *emphasis mine

                      The above it the very first post you made in this thread. In it, you claim those who support Trump ARE LOSING THEIR HUMANITY and that they are DROPPING PIECES OF THEIR SOULS!

                      You are doing a terrible job so far. Making LITERALLY dehumanizing allegations, accusations of following down 'the Nazi path' and strong implications of Nazi like leanings - oh, and let's not forget calling people's CHRISTIAN FAITH into question because they simply DO NOT agree with you.

                      Trust me, it is not noticeable. I hope it's true but I see ZERO evidence.


                      FIRST get that 2x4 out of your eye - THEN we'll worry about someone else's.

                      NO. First and foremost, this isn't Biblical - YOUR personal compliance with Paul's admonitions are between you and God. If and when there is a noticeable effect, God is perfectly capable of making us see it - and, despite your own theory, I doubt we're nearly as blind as those God has healed (take that in both senses).

                      Second, it is far past time you lead by example. You want to see US change, then take a good, hard look at the vicious, callous and uncharitable way YOU treat others - and FIX IT. Show, don't tell.

                      And finally, before you even think about defending yourself from the vicious, callous and uncharitable part, look very closely at your FIRST POST in this thread. Claiming others are losing their humanity is ALL THREE of THOSE THINGS. Stop provoking attacks and most of them will stop happening.




                      Okay, one small point more. Shuny hates my guts and we never see eye to eye yet he has treated me much better in this thread than you have. We argue, but to his credit, not once has he demeaned me in this thread - and it's honestly rare for him to do that at all. (Patronize, yep, but not demean.)
                      God bless you Teal. I think you probably somehow feel justified in the current campaign to highlight each and every thing you despise in me - but really? How much longer do you plan to continue along this tack of posts filled with direct personal attacks on every element of me you find distasteful?



                      Jim
                      Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2019, 08:29 AM.
                      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        C - do you know what it is like to have the majority of the people on a forum telling you how bad you are in every single post written? Not that an idea you've had is bad, not that something you said was inaccurate, but that you yourself are bad, bad , bad. Over and over and over again. That is something I more and more work hard not to do, to not say something like you just said to me. To not directly attack the character or morals of the other person.

                        What I find though is that most people dont seem to be able to differentiate between saying "this idea is bad" and "you are bad".

                        And so I dont really yet have a set of tools that can avoid inflaming a conversation, although perhaps just being more clear about making that difference explicit may help.

                        It does seem that any attempt to defend against the constant attacks on me as a person only serves to escalate hostility. So Im just not even going to try anymore.

                        Maybe one day you can see the difference between saying an idea is bad and saying the person is bad. And ill try to be as clear as possible Im focussing on an idea, not a person in my replies.

                        Jim
                        Jim you have post after post saying WE are bad/immoral/unchristian just because we don't agree with you about something Trump stands for or has done. You are doing exactly what you denounce above, but can't seem to see it. Then you get upset when people call you out on it and say they are attacking you.

                        It has gotten to the point that I am actively trying not to interact with you on anything to do with Trump in order not to upset you.

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                        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          God bless you Teal. I think you probably feel justified in the current campaign to fix me - but really?

                          Jim
                          Dude, if and when you wanna be fixed, you only need talk with Jesus - He can fix you. I have no such delusions about my abilities.

                          And yes, REALLY. Your very first post attacks the people who support Trump - then you have the gall to turn around and tell Cere that you only attack ideas, not people. Nonsense. You can keep spouting it all you want - but you might wanna quit the martyr routine. You are not a martyr here - you're an instigator.
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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Apparently you missed my post. Nixon, was not only a crook, but when running for president, he secretly negotiated with the N.Vietnamese not to end the war until after the election in order to boost his chances of winning and in so doing caused the unnecessary deaths of many more of your beloved Marines. So, I'll ask again, do you still like Nixon?
                            Bull crap Jim, first there is no actual evidence that Nixon had an effect on the peace process...

                            While it’s likely that the revelation of Nixon’s involvement might have influenced the outcome of the 1968 American election, Jack Torry reports for Politico that the Paris Peace Talks were likely on the ropes before November 1968, and that the North Vietnamese were not serious about ending the war. Transcripts from the time show that South Vietnamese President Thieu was not willing to participate in talks that included the National Liberation Front, the communist party trying to overthrow the South Vietnam government.

                            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...bUju2YDp12O.99
                            There was never a serious peace prospect, so Nixon did not cause more deaths. He is the one who ENDED the Democrat war...
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                            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Jim you have post after post saying WE are bad/immoral/unchristian just because we don't agree with you about something Trump stands for or has done. You are doing exactly what you denounce above, but can't seem to see it. Then you get upset when people call you out on it and say they are attacking you.

                              It has gotten to the point that I am actively trying not to interact with you on anything to do with Trump in order not to upset you.
                              I would encourage you to look again. I know that in all my posts that bring up the morality of a certain issue, my intent is to point out why certain ideas or responses are inconsistent with the good people I believe you to be.

                              Jim
                              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2019, 08:46 AM.
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • Very first post in thread:
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                What I have a very hard time doing is watching so many defend what Trump said, or laugh at the people he said it about.

                                To support Trump it seems is to lose pieces of one's humanity. I've watched it happen day after day on TWEB over the course of his presidency. Each day he takes another step into the mud, and each day people drop another piece of their soul and follow him in.


                                Jim
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                I would encourage you to look again. I know that in all my posts that bring up the morality of a certain issue, my intent is to point out why certain ideas or responses are inconsistent with the good people I believe you to be.

                                Jim
                                We DID. YOU are the one that refuses to see the truth. You don't pose the question - you out and out attack the morality of others for no other reason than your own specious hatred of a man you've never even met.
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