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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat has been my experience, and I do this a LOT."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostOkay, why? What is it that makes them prefer homelessness?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostOkay, why? What is it that makes them prefer homelessness?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI really don't know, but I can think of one guy in particular who said he always hears voices when he's in buildings, and never when he's "on the street".
JD is the chief operations officer for our local mission efforts - I'll ask him, cause now I'm curious.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThinking about this some more, I'm thinking that a lot of this has to do with the paranoia that comes with drug use (past or present). There's the fear of being trapped in a building, as opposed to a "clear field of view" when out in the open, or sleeping with your back to a building or something like that.
JD is the chief operations officer for our local mission efforts - I'll ask him, cause now I'm curious.
Homelessness is a really important issue to me - but I don't wanna start suggesting stuff that won't work. I want to understand the various dynamics better so maybe, somehow, I can help out someway.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThanks!
Homelessness is a really important issue to me - but I don't wanna start suggesting stuff that won't work. I want to understand the various dynamics better so maybe, somehow, I can help out someway.
There is a local business that unofficially allows him to sleep on their loading dock (which happened to have a full view of the approach to their complex) in exchange for...
A) they keep a cooler on the loading dock with cold soft drinks and sandwiches
2) he would press a panic button specially put there for him if he saw anything suspicious
Due to liability issues, this all has to be "we didn't know he was there".
There are a number of such 'arrangements' of which I am aware around here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Is that an issue with homeless vets as well? I mean, related to PTSD - not wanting to be hemmed in? I have a friend who served but not in combat, yet he has to have his back to a wall or corner in order to be comfortable in a room."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThere are a number of such 'arrangements' of which I am aware around here.
the LEGAL aspect prevents us from doing a LOT of good.
Recently, there was a Church group in Houston that decided to show up at a place where "the less fortunate" tended to gather and serve free hot dogs, chips and soft drinks. The city of Houston shut them down because they didn't have a food service license! There was no way to get such a proper license because of the culinary requirements - like they'd have to have a "commercial kitchen" that passed inspection.
The idea was to "serve them like family" - not "we're a church here to serve you poor homeless derelicts". There were games for the kids, interaction with other church members...
I bet they wouldn't have let Jesus serve bread and fish without a proper license.
There are a number of ways we are actually helping people knowing full well they are violating some law or code or licensing requirement, or concern over "getting sued".
FORTUNATELY, we live in a community where many of us in leadership can "conspire" to "look the other way". Don't know how much longer than can continue.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIs that an issue with homeless vets as well? I mean, related to PTSD - not wanting to be hemmed in? I have a friend who served but not in combat, yet he has to have his back to a wall or corner in order to be comfortable in a room.
So, I'm aware that those who have PTSD is not just "something weird" - but something they actually feel. And, yes, they guy I mentioned was, in fact, former military (Iraqi Freedom) with PTSD.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I honestly don't think there is a solution to the problem.
Here in LA, there are a myriad number of programs to help the homeless -- temporary shelters, job programs, free food and meals 24/7 (and that's a huge one), rehab programs, free and inexpensive housing, etc., yet LA still has the biggest homeless problem in the nation.
Ironically, while liberals like to talk a good game, most of the programs here are Christian funded and/or run, particularly the main missions, with the exception of the Midnight Mission (which started off Christian but has since went sort of neutral). The fact California wants to direct their efforts towards illegal aliens is absolutely asinine, but that's California. Thing is, I highly (and I mean HIGHLY) doubt anything government could do to change anything, especially being that it's... well government.
Most of the homeless have mental problems or drug addiction, or a combo of both and actually prefer being homeless, or else just can't function enough to hold down a permanent residence, much less a job. Long story short, I don't think there is a solution. However, persuading more illegal migration into the state with free benefits will DEFINITELY make it worse, but that's liberal thinking for you.
In fact, probably the only real solution would have to be drastic one, like cut off all the free benefits, especially the free food supply, to make homelessness less of an incentive, but of course that will never happen.
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Originally posted by Faber View PostThey're not just ordinary rats. They're ...
(somebody?)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's the thing - and you've made me think of this more and more.....
the LEGAL aspect prevents us from doing a LOT of good.
Recently, there was a Church group in Houston that decided to show up at a place where "the less fortunate" tended to gather and serve free hot dogs, chips and soft drinks. The city of Houston shut them down because they didn't have a food service license! There was no way to get such a proper license because of the culinary requirements - like they'd have to have a "commercial kitchen" that passed inspection.
The idea was to "serve them like family" - not "we're a church here to serve you poor homeless derelicts". There were games for the kids, interaction with other church members...
I bet they wouldn't have let Jesus serve bread and fish without a proper license.
There are a number of ways we are actually helping people knowing full well they are violating some law or code or licensing requirement, or concern over "getting sued".
FORTUNATELY, we live in a community where many of us in leadership can "conspire" to "look the other way". Don't know how much longer than can continue.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI honestly don't think there is a solution to the problem.
Here in LA, there are a myriad number of programs to help the homeless -- temporary shelters, job programs, free food and meals 24/7 (and that's a huge one), rehab programs, free and inexpensive housing, etc., yet LA still has the biggest homeless problem in the nation.
Ironically, while liberals like to talk a good game, most of the programs here are Christian funded and/or run, particularly the main missions, with the exception of the Midnight Mission (which started off Christian but has since went sort of neutral). The fact California wants to direct their efforts towards illegal aliens is absolutely asinine, but that's California. Thing is, I highly (and I mean HIGHLY) doubt anything government could do to change anything, especially being that it's... well government.
Most of the homeless have mental problems or drug addiction, or a combo of both and actually prefer being homeless, or else just can't function enough to hold down a permanent residence, much less a job. Long story short, I don't think there is a solution. However, persuading more illegal migration into the state with free benefits will DEFINITELY make it worse, but that's liberal thinking for you.
In fact, probably the only real solution would have to be drastic one, like cut off all the free benefits, especially the free food supply, to make homelessness less of an incentive, but of course that will never happen.
A friend of mine has a brother who is an alcoholic. He basically drank himself out of a home and a family. He doesn't work because he doesn't want to pay back-child support. He ended up living on the streets and just didn't care. His sister, my friend, convinced him to move in with her. So he did. He just works odd jobs enough to have money for cigarettes and booze and just sits around her apartment all day. Doesn't help with the rent, nothing. And she is too nice to kick him back out. He is literally a bum. Nice enough guy but just doesn't care about anything except drinking. The only reason he hasn't drunk himself to death is that he never has enough money to have much on hand at any one time. It's really sad.
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