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Democrats' Far-Left Lean Risks More Than the Presidency
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostOrson Welles was once brought before a hearing on being accused of unamerican activities, due to his associations with left-leaning theaters. So he cheekily asked them to define "Socialism" and was told.
"Well... Socialism is when the government takes your money and gives it to other people."
"In that case I am 37% socialist, the rest of me is capitalist."
I'll see if I can get a link to the interview where he said it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe Independent has Trump winning easily in 2020.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDon't forget that the former chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was unable to provide any sort of answer when asked what the difference is between the Democrat Party and Socialism on not just one, but two separate occasions. Shortly thereafter Hillary Clinton was also asked and could not offer any answer as well.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI don't see why that particularly matters. "Socialism" has so many different possible definitions that I couldn't tell you the difference between capitalism and socialism unless you were very specific as to what you meant by "socialism."
Well, I am sure if you asked Carpedm, he would come up with some weird definition and say, well Socialism is just being social, and unless you are a hermit we are all social, so everyone is a socialist!
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Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
"Will you define what a Communist is."
"Well,...It's where whatever you make goes to government"
"Well I'm 86% Communist, the rest is Capitalist
(that's the income tax rest pays the rent)."
Off topic, but, while McCarthyism obviously was, you know, insane, it wasn't the witch hunt it's made out to be. Hollywood truly was filled with writers, actors, and directors who were fully committed Communists who were pushing communism as subtext in film with the intent purpose of swaying national policy and allegiance at a time when there was good reason for governments to be concerned about Revolutionary sentiment. How the government went about things was obviously all wrong, but there was more than a little to it.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOff topic, but, while McCarthyism obviously was, you know, insane, it wasn't the witch hunt it's made out to be. Hollywood truly was filled with writers, actors, and directors who were fully committed Communists who were pushing communism as subtext in film with the intent purpose of swaying national policy and allegiance at a time when there was good reason for governments to be concerned about Revolutionary sentiment. How the government went about things was obviously all wrong, but there was more than a little to it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOf course. Do you expect Hollywood to portray McCarthyism correctly? Pretty much everything we "know" about it is what Hollywood portrays on TV and film. They control the narrative.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOf course. Do you expect Hollywood to portray McCarthyism correctly? Pretty much everything we "know" about it is what Hollywood portrays on TV and film. They control the narrative.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDemocrats' Far-Left Lean Risks More Than the Presidency
Not at all friendly to Trump, some interesting points about the left, and a warning of "dire consequences"...
If the Democratic Party keeps surging to the left and nominates a 2020 candidate who can be credibly labeled “socialist,” “radical” or just far out of mainstream, it will not only reelect Donald Trump, but unleash a cascade of nightmares on itself and the nation.
Unpopular as he is, President Trump likely would win narrowly, but whatever the margin, he will feel vindicated and unleashed. To do what? For sure, to continue treating unwanted immigrants with systematic cruelty, claiming to help the working middle class while further enriching the wealthy, offending foreign allies while coddling dictators, dividing the nation and demeaning political discourse.
Other dire scenarios await if the party keeps heading left, responding to its liberal base and the pressure of TV debates. One possible outcome is that Democrats will lose what slim chance they have of retaking the Senate. Then Trump will be able to nominate and confirm probably at least one more and possibly two more conservative Supreme Court justices, plus lower court justices and executive branch officials who’ll carry out his will.
It gets worse. Democrats recaptured the House in 2018 because 40 moderates took seats Republicans won in 2016. If the party is deemed far-left in 2020, Democrats could lose control of the House and Trump could once again operate without any serious congressional oversight.
No one seems to realize the danger more than Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has been resisting liberal pressure to begin impeachment proceedings that would inflame Trump’s base.
And she has been trying to tame the most left-wing elements of her caucus, the four-member so-called “Squad” led by first-term socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has been lionized by the media and is being used by Trump to brand the entire Democratic Party as radical.
Pelosi clearly is motivated by her past experience as speaker from 2007 to 2011, when she acted as a “San Francisco liberal,” epitomized by her forcing Obamacare through the House on a party-line vote. As a result, Democrats lost 63 seats in 2010 and she lost her speakership.
Besides Trump unleashed, chances of winning the Senate lost, a more conservative Supreme Court and loss of the House majority, a fifth potential nightmare scenario for Democrats is another decade of GOP domination at the state level......
Because the liberals keep boasting about the takeover of the House, I thought this was part was especially interesting....
Democrats recaptured the House in 2018 because 40 moderates took seats Republicans won in 2016. If the party is deemed far-left in 2020, Democrats could lose control of the House and Trump could once again operate without any serious congressional oversight.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOff topic, but, while McCarthyism obviously was, you know, insane, it wasn't the witch hunt it's made out to be. Hollywood truly was filled with writers, actors, and directors who were fully committed Communists who were pushing communism as subtext in film with the intent purpose of swaying national policy and allegiance at a time when there was good reason for governments to be concerned about Revolutionary sentiment. How the government went about things was obviously all wrong, but there was more than a little to it.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostCan you mention a case where you think the House of Un-American Activities were justified in what they did? Or is it more that you feel that there were quite a few screen writers who put their ideas into scripts with a hope to influence the US?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostNo, which is why I stated, "How the government went about things was obviously all wrong." I think they were justified in exposing the issue to the American public in general, but in the long run I think how they went about that was often harsh, unfair, and illegal.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell, I am sure if you asked Carpedm, he would come up with some weird definition and say, well Socialism is just being social, and unless you are a hermit we are all social, so everyone is a socialist!
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